the HUD seems to have been minimalized so we can hope for no compass. i think quest markers still be there but you will have to open your map to see them. that, to me, makes sense and is a nice compromise between those who wanted Q markers and those who didnt want them. i do hope theres no exact location for items and that you have to search on the other hand.

Come on guys, it's impossible to see an RPG today without a compass and quest markers. It's a given that something like it will be in. Also, "very intelligent AI"? Really, they've bragged about this before Oblivion too. Don't say things like this.

cough mass effect cough
cough dragon age origions cough
cough bioware games cough
cough i love bioware cough

Saved.

I dont even know if I can play Oblivion anymore... Never thought I'd say that before a new ES game came out hmy:

You should take something, it's serious. DA has QM. Anyway, we all know something of the sort will be in, this isn't Morrowind 2011... sadly.

They bragged about Radiant AI for Oblivion, which is this system, but they had to scrap it and use a lesser incarnation of it because it just wasn't working properly in Gamebryo. With the new engine and the even greater revamps to the Radiant AI, there will be no mistake about it. Your just looking for conflict so you complain about Bethesda. As for RPG today needing a compass? Really? That is not needed and is unnecessary. Quest markers however have been valued even in the past in open worlds and it is much needed for the TES.



Fixed.

Well i also think that. its a progress towards future RPG game. be it less complex or not.

@Sleign
"With the new engine and the even greater revamps to the Radiant AI, there will be no mistake about it. Your just looking for conflict so you complain about Bethesda."

Really man, don't do this, this isn't the place. TES is probably my favorite video-game series and I don't come here to vent my frustrations on Bethesda. Just because you made another info thread doesn't give you the right to start accusing anyone. And now really, you know nothing about the AI, don't make claims based on what you wish. Let's keep it clear until the game comes out in regards to the AI.

You want me to point out how you're looking for every chance to defend Bethesda, or do you not take criticism that well?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm of the opinion that Bethesda is at the precipice, and they have the chance to fail so hard it makes all the older fans just drop and leave, or to succeed and have us stay for more.

I'd like to hope they're going to succeed, but I'm not going to start pulling stuff out of my [censored] claiming that "there will be no mistake about it." We can't be sure until we see the game itself, but I have a sick feeling in my stomach and a bitter taste in my mouth from Oblivion. Let's make a deal. I don't claim that Skyrim is going to be a pile of crap if you don't claim its going to be the best thing since sliced bread and that we're just looking for every chance to complain.

As for your list, its well compiled, but I can't help but think its missing something... I think you missed the Dragon Shout abilities.

Cool report me, but don't come into the thread flaming other games and flaming me saying this is a "I wish thread." This isn't an "I wish thread", it's an information we know thread and I explain it in depth for those that don't know the information or are having questions about it and I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to derail my thread or try to ruin it's credibility so others can't get benefit from it. If you have an issue with past games and you want to debate it, send me a private message instead of bringing it into my thread. Thank You.

The thing is, every time I see him post it's just to bash Oblivion and I'd rather have this thread on topic of Skyrim. Second of all you just said everyone is entitled to their opinion and then tell me I can't say that I think it will be good without a doubt? Interesting.

There's nothing wrong with the credibility of your list, it's actually good, there just is a problem with definitive affirmations on threads like this. Anyway, I'll try to shut up about past TES games in here.

That's stating an opinion as though it was fact.

That's totally different.

Awesome thread sleign, thanks for posting this info I appreciate it.

Thank you, this thread is a godsend for me as I won't get to see the GI article. It's really difficult to pick out the 1% of facts amongst the 99% of speculation on the forums at the moment! Thanks for summarising it in a concise manner for those of us who can't get the magazine.

I never posted definitive affirmations that weren't already backed up with examples revealed in the GI. The things I said like "I believe without a doubt" and things of the kind aren't definitive affirmations, they are opinions.



When did I state an opinion as fact? Everything I have said that didn't have something attached to it saying "I believe" or something of the sort is supported by the revelations in GI.




No problem. I'm just trying to get everyone the information as clearly as possible. I know I would like to get the information clearly if I couldn't get the magazine or had questions about the information.

Truth is, there CAN be a mistake about it, and the AI CAN turn out to be total trash, even WITH the new engine.

Regardless, I just want everyone to shut up and let each other co exist. I see just as many complaints about complainers as I see complainers. Sure, some people DO deserve to be told off (like it they're running around spewing trash about dumbing down and consoles being terrible and such nonsense), but I see JUST AS MUCH animosity for folks like me and others who are simply suspicious of the game and the decisions Bethesda makes. The difference is that we're trying to look at everything from a logical and historical perspective to create our opinions, rather than fallacious appeals to emotion.

As for your list, I believe perks should be expanded on a bit (one example being that it was said that each star in the sky was perk, and you could easily see the lit of stars connected by lines, telling that there will be perk trees for each skill). Perhaps you should also mention, at least in a "speculation" area, that attributes may not be part of the game anymore due to deduction from the skills screen screenshot.

They make good linear games not great games the replay is limited way more then a bethesda game and the worlds seem somewhat dead with static characters, but they do throw in some really interesting stuff, but they cheat game consumers by withholding quests that could be released with the game just to pull a few more bucks out of us and I will not be playing their version of swg.

That would be pretty cool walking into a town with my high level mage and out of no where another high level mage challenges me to a duel, Of coarse it is only cool if the other mage actully has the ability to kill me.

Cough You only follow one linear path Cough

im still very worried about one MAJOR thing... fallout 3 was extremely unstable, people mostly had the game becoming unplayable at around 10mb files...

...but mine started freezing and crashing at around 4-5mb... and i had absolutely no problems with it before that.

so im worried, with skyrim sounding WAY more advanced than fallout 3, what if the game becomes extremely unstable, as well?

also, i dunno why, it seems like this happens with all large games, the more i play them, the games tend to stop rendering things as far away as they did when i first play them, and things look messy at a long distance, things may vanish, etc.

i mean, in oblivion, when you dropped things, they'd FALL THROUGH THE GROUND!

im just worried that skyrim will be extremely awesome for the first few sessions, but after a few days/weeks/whatever, it'll degrade and even become unplayable.

i really hope it doesnt, though... its sounding freaking awesome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dDFIHfTFqg

Unless you've played the game, you have no more information on the ai than anyone else who has the magazine.

Dismissing and attacking someone else's opinions by calling them a fanatic or fan boy is flaming, basically.

Some people are having issues with information that has been released so far. Some people are exceptionally pleased with the information that has been released so far.

Posts on either side are okay, as long as they follow the forum rules. So posts for what people consider to be good about the information are fine, posts for what people consider to be bad about the information are fine.

If anyone disagrees with someone else's statement or opinion, disagree with the opinion, don't attack the person by calling them a fanatic, fan boy, or console kiddie or anything else.

I would agree with you about the comment you linked except that it's not in my info thread, that is a post I made in response to someones statement, it can't be held to the standard of fact because it's was not one of the facts of Skyrim, it was my opinion in response to someone's statement.

As for the expanding the perks, I will be sure to expand that. I was originally hesitant about saying anything about the possibility of attribute removal in this thread but now that someone has mentioned it I'll go ahead and make a speculation section and give an explanation of possibly what they are doing so that outrage doesn't grasp this thread.

I can see where you coming from I really can but they have had 4 yrs to test this engine and fine tune it, and unlike the last 1, this one was completely built in house with this game or TES anyway in mind, so we can expect alot from it for obvious reasons, they have had better backing in the last 5-6 yrs, they have had more people working on it by all accounts, and the quality of people working for them, by Todds own words, have made it much easier to read strengths and place people with expertise on their teams, heck they have over 100 people working on this game right now. I read alot of blogs and I never hear any1 use a number like that when referring to the group they have working on a game especially a game that has been in the works for so long.