Nvm.

I agree.

PC elitism at it's finest.

It's not really.

Nearly all games, no matter what platform are developed on the PC/Mac, that has nothing to do with how the game is designed. It all comes down to optimising everything to work within the tech limits of each platform. And of course, a majority of developers just take the easy route and cater for the lowest common denominator, and port upwards.

It seems, on these boards at least, that calling out PC elitism (and slinging that term left and right) is quite alright, but the second someones calls out a console user for being a technophobic pre-game lobby trash talking moron, it's a big no-no.

I know the graphics will be better on PC than Xbox 360, this i dont deny, and believe me, im not your typical Xbox really devoted fan guy who will defend the console to the death, but i just feel more natural playing the game with a controller than awkwardly with a mouse and keyboard, i have played alot of games for the PC, but mostly "exclusive" to the PC, if morrowind was re released onto the Xbox 360 i would choose that over the PC version. Call me what you will. That just how i roll... anyone else? :/

Imagine if the current market was your Xbox 360 and something on par with a PS2.

Would you want the games to look the same, and make no use of the technological advantages the 360 has over the PS2?

I roll with ya, but i'm on PS3. I do agree with you.

Betcha dollars to doughnuts that had you had a more powerful system than you currently have, which could handle better gameplay and graphics, you would want your games to be able to take advantage of your hardware as well. There's nothing elitist about it. It's about wanting our games to be able to perform up to the hardware that our systems run.

Once the next gen consoles have been released then we will likely see an improvement in what games can and will be capable of, which will be a boost for all platforms...at least initially. After a couple of years, when pc users upgrade their systems, the hardware will gradually surpass that of the consoles. Again, that is not elitism, it is a limit of the consoles hardware. Neither Microsoft nor Sony seem willing to advance the console's technology more often, and that's a shame.

That's because there's no logic in it. Many PC users seem to think that they are entitled to every video game having the ability to maximize the capabilities of their rig. There's no logical reason for that when you realize that, even among PC players, not that many have big, fancy, expensive rigs. Maybe those people should quite wasting their money so often.

On the other hand, I haven't seen many console players actually acting like every fancy PC game that comes out should have been targeted for their console instead.

No, because they'd rather just say, "Oh!? You want a game tailored to your system? HOW DARE YOU! YOU ELITIST!!!11!!!!"

I would want the 360 games to look that way, yes. But I wouldn't complain that any PS2 game coming out should have been designed for my 360.
By the way, I play on the PC.

I'm not arguing that "my" 360 is the dominant force in the market (I don't even have one), what I'm saying is that players arguing that a game "should" have been made for their rig are wrong.

"The game is authored here on PCs" -Todd Howard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sw_1P2dvWU

Yeah, please excuse my use of "Xbox", i mean consoles in general, i would also pick ps3 over pc if it wasnt available for xbox, i know the keyboard can give the play much more options and uses to use whilst the console controller has to try and cleverly fit them all on but a few buttons... but it jjust feels more natrual to me to play like that, with only but a few movements of the thumbs and i can get right into the game immerson and the console is only thinking and running one thing right now... the game. But on the pc i will feel akward knowing the game is only one of multiple windows the pc is running and i cant get into the feel and realism of the game... let the hating of me by other forum members begin!

This went to hell fast...

The game is authored on the PC, but tailored for the 360.

And I still say *IF* Skyrim were being made for the Wii, and that was the system Skyrim had to be developed around, you console users would understand what we mean by wanting a game that takes advantage of each system separately.

Then again, knowing Todd, he'd probably be willing to make sure the game was tailored to the 360 even still.

Considering that they get by far the most game sales from Xbox 360, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that it's their lead platform for development. If they developed Skyrim to be the next Crysis it would cost them so much more money and they probably wouldn't get a worthwhile return from the investment.

"We do a lot of graphics development still first on the Xbox just because it's smoother and a lot of that stuff goes over to the PC." -Todd Howard

Nothing about Skyrim being "designed for 360" Just the graphics.

I don't see what the big Console Vs. Pc deal is. I've seen the Crysis, which probably has some of the best graphics as of now, on my friend's amazing PC rig and I honestly can hardly tell the difference from the PS3 version. The resolutions may be higher on the PCs than on the consoles but that's partially because generally when you play on a computer, you're 15 inches away from the screen whilst when playing a console game you are 15 feet away. It's extremely difficult to see the slight improvement in the PC version versus the Console version with this in mind. Also, some of you are claiming that a PS2 game to a PS3 game is as a Console game is to a PC game. However, the difference between a ps2 game's resolutions and a ps3 game's graphics is far greater than that of Console to PC. PS3 and 360's resolutions are already so high when playing 15 feet from an HD tv that they honestly couldn't improve much more. So in essence, PC graphics really aren't THAT huge of an improvement of Consoles when considering every factor and thus, the Console versus PC argument in terms of graphics is futile.

There is a simple reason they must deesign for the xbox.....if they didnt the xbox version would be more buggy then a house of cockroaches.

Xbox has the most limited hardware, designing for it first means that the game will run on every platform with equal or more hardware (PS3, gaming PC etc). It much easier ot covert a game up in power then down, so all companies releasing on all platforms start with the weakest one first then port to the others.


The whole reason behind having a gaming PC for skyrim is the same as with Oblivion, you get mods later on to raise the graphics to insane levels.I dont expect thme ot build a game to match my PC, but from past games, I do expect them to let me mod my game to match my PC.



PS: And anyone that says that they refuse to play PC because a controller is more natural........by a compatible Xbox 360/PS3 controller for your PC, then plug PC into TV. ta da....PC that acts like a console....only much more powerful. WIth any luck bethesda will provide controller support with thier game again (like they did with fallout 3) where the xbox 360 controller will be supported by the game on PC rather then just manually rigged to the controls by the user.


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Thats a bit hard to do seeing as the original crysis wasnt released on consoles. You are talking about crysis 2, which was PC port from consoles. The original crysis can still match game graphics today.

lol
This is so fail, I will be "testing" this before buying, for sure...[censored] consolized games.

Todd uses a lot of PR talk. So while he rarely lies, you still almost always have to read between the lines and infer. The game is being tailored around the capabilities of the 360. Whether you want call that "designed for the 360" or not is up to you.

To many people dont know what they are talking about.

I don't get why people say this. Is it being tailored around the 360, or consoles? It's releasing on 2 consoles.

The PS3 has slightly better capabilities. So basically the PS3 and PC are going to be getting a port from the 360.