I thought they settled that goal when they want from being a near-bankrupt, indie, PC-developing company to multiplatform, multi-million dollar big boys. The goal is to make money, yes, but by making the DLC for Skyrim available to me, I'm willing to buy. In this case, consumer demand means nothing. Rather, one company decides to buy away the support, from another company, for one or more platforms for a game they released, and therefore a game I expect them to support, for three different platforms. It's greed. I'm willing to deal with inflation. I'm willing to buy the collector's edition of their game. I'm willing to buy it several times over if my disk breaks. I'm willing to be a lifelong fan. I'm willing to buy their DLC. Yet, they won't allow me to buy their DLC and decide I, as a fan, must be less important than the ridiculous paycheck Microsoft must be paying them for such a petty squabble. Of course, timed exclusivity means I would be able to get the DLC, eventually, hence Bethesda still makes money, but not everyone is willing to wait, yet they still make a profit off of those who do buy it. No matter what we do, we can't win. If we don't buy it at all, they won't see a reason to end the deals, and if we do, they think they can continue to do what they are doing as we'll still buy it, anyway, netting them a larger profit, overall.

As painful as it is to say it, I'm going to have to boycott any timed DLC from Bethesda Softworks. That's not meant as a threat to Bethesda Softworks, and it's only Bethesda Softworks (the publishers) that I dislike, anyway. I love what Bethesda Game Studios (the developers) do. Anyway, it's not meant as a threat to Bethesda, it's just the truth. I will not buy any of New Vegas' DLC and I refuse to buy Skyrim's, if it comes only after a period of timed exclusivity. Fallout 3's DLC, after it finally came nearly a year later, was unpolished, buggy crap, as far as technical standards go. They made us wait and couldn't even give us the courteousy of a well-functioning product or even acknowledgment of the DLC's condition. They're supposed to be a business, but that doesn't excuse what they've done, in my eyes. I'm willing to buy their product, but they won't let me... some business...

NO! to DLC!
YES! to Expansions!

Exclusives always struck me as dumb, but money talks. As far as boycotting DLC, i wouldnt go that far. I've been the victim of various Exclusive fiascos but im not gonna hate the people for it.

Problem is people will likely never rally together and try to end it.

Expansion are likely not to happen.

It is indeed a problem, but we could we (gamers in general, not just PS3 players, for that matter) do if we did? It's a damned if we do, damned if we don't situation, as I've stated in my post. They've even expanded to depriving PC players of DLC, as they have with New Vegas. I understand not wanting to lose out on money to second-hand sales, not wanting a person to pirate your game, not being able to afford not taking the extra money from exclusivity deals, or just not having the knowledge to properly deliver a product to a certain group of people with different hardware, but they, a now-prospering, award-winning company, marketed and sold their games as multiplatform games, so I expect them to support them as multiplatform games and accept my demand... as a consumer. Supply and demand is a load of bullcrap, in this case. They're a business and their goal is to make money, but that should be through the customers, not other businesses... especially not when they're already making such large profits as to turn whatever Microsoft's paying into a trivial and paltry sum or to make Microsoft crazy for offering the amount they are over some DLC. Just because they're a business doesn't mean they are justified in being dishonest. They said it was multiplatform, but then they trick us at, at least in New Vegas' case, nearly literally the last minute. Sure, perhaps we should have seen it coming, but it's clear they didn't want to hurt the pre-orders they already had (or at least I think so) and then they don't even mention the lack of functionality in some of their products, Fallout 3's PS3 DLC ports included. It's not much more justfied then them mugging random people on the street as a business making money, as far as I care.

while i agree with u, i jus wish companies would quite with the exclusives but that wont happen. plus M$ isnt as bad as sony, M$ has only been willing to pay for timed exclusive dlcs unlike sony

The reason for the FNV DLC situation on PC is because there is no GFWL. No GFWL means no Microsoft involved in the selling process.

Exactly, but so what? It's still Microsoft attempting to buy out the DLC and some high figure of authority (whom you could probably tell I don't like, right now) at Bethesda Softworks/ZeniMax agreeing. There is nothing technical preventing Bethesda from selling DLC to PC players, it's just exclusivity deals making DLC now unsupported for two of the three platforms.

Some of use PS3 owners neber saw it that way. How are the wicked suppose to get blessed without the Vile Lair DLC? And that coffin bed! I want a coffin bed for my characters.

I want Battlehorn Castle incredibly desperately. Frostcrag Spire was looks pretty cool and would mean no more having to get into the Arcane University or even join the Mages' Guild just to enchant with each new character. I actually even want horse armor DLC, as my horse gets killed too easily, at times. I want to see the inside of the orrery.

Off the top of my head I found the various houses a little interesting but the lack of content was a disappointment. Frostcrag Spire, Deepscorn Hollow, Mehrunes Razor, that one castle lol. The Thieves Den. Pretty meh.

I liked all the houses, the only one that I did not like was horse armor.

Sure, no exclusivity. But I hate the whole notion of what DLC is. Give me a great expansion pack. Shivering isles hit the spot nicely.

Don't talk about me like I'm not here.
True though. It does seem to follow a patten.
It's all a big conspiricy... :shifty:

Don't get your hopes up. It sure would be nice if Bethesda treated their fans equally when it came to DLC, but Microsoft's money is very attractive. Lord knows how much they payed them to make Oblivion DLC and Fallout 3 DLC initially exclusive to the Xbox 360 and PC, but it must have been a lot. The same goes for New Vegas' Dead Money DLC, which didn't even come to the PC because the PC version uses Steam.

All I'm saying is, don't be surprised if the Skyrim DLC isn't initially out on the PS3. Sure you can be angry about it, but you're just setting yourself up for disappointment if you really expect them not to make it exclusive.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft did it again. But then again, Bethesda hasn't come up with one decent official plug-in.

Says who?

Tribunal was great!
because it had me in it
So were Shivering Isles and Bloodmoon (KotN was a little short and boring)

My thoughts exactly.

Name one. KotN was the best, and even then that wasn't very good. When third-part mods are better than what the devs can come up with, you gotta wonder.

You're looking at this as though whatever I think must be wrong. "Name one?" I do name KotN. I loved it and you can't prove that it isn't a good or even a great DLC. I think one thing, you think another. Do you believe that your opinion is a universally shared one? Of course it isn't. If you didn't, then what would make you think your opinion was any more correct than my own or anyone else's?

I didn't say at any point that my opinion was universally shared. I merely stated my opinion that no DLC was good. You're the one picking this fight.

I hate DLC, and always will. It smells greed a long way. Some games nowdays even has DLC when the game ships!
Dragon Age was a very good example for that, they even advertised and even teased you with DLC you didnt have yet in-game.

And to people saying "if you dont like it, dont buy it", its not that simple. People will buy it, and then more people will buy it because they feel like they are missing out, a group-effect sort of, and the companies will continue to make the DLC.
Sometimes it reaches insanity, as with Fable 3, where you have to pay to be able to dye your cloths black.

If they have to have them, i want it to be big DLCs that are actually worth the money and adds a lot to them game, not just it being a tool for greedy producers to harvest more money.

I prefer old-school expansion packs, because they are far more worth the money.

You told me to name one as though there was nothing I could name. :huh: I named one.

no chance.