I can't belive that "six, Drugs, Decapitation and Nudity" got so many votes! Seems like everyone likes unserious games. six, nudity and drugs belongs in Duke Nukem, not in TES. In Assassin's Creed they swear but in Italian and all they say is "Pezzo di merda" (Piece of sh*t). Bethesda won't make Skyrim or any other TES game brutal.

Agree on the blood part :chaos:

And there have been a few times...in Morrowind there was a guy in Vivec who called you a bastard...a few instances in Oblivion but overall it was all very controlled and it fit the characters speaking it.

I do believe that is where Oblivion was. A moderate approach we could all live with. I'm fine with that and I believe all could be fine with that.

I enjoy the effort Bethesda makes to make TES a living breathing world with many small details. That is what makes it an awesome game. It has little to do with gore. It's about lore, politics, varied characters, interesting quests, good story, racial strife, building a character, making choices, exploration and freedom. Swear words as we know them in this world don't belong in TES, N'wah worked fine. It's not a game about bouncing boobs and six, it rather needs both beautiful and ugly people. I would much rather they spend time making varied body sizes (skinny, obese, chunky, average) than bouncing boobs and naked bodies. I would much rather them spend time on facial expressions than over the top realistic gore. Work on stats to properly balance them rather than making the blood spurt look realistic.

They can't do everything we wand. They can't please us all. Their formula for success has always been right on so I trust it will be this time.

First, I'd strongly suggest you stay away from online gaming if you get easily offended by a little swearing.

Second, your poll options are way too charged and biased in favor of your opinion.

Third, a LOT of people like this stuff, and a lot don't. If the game's selling point is to take somebody to the shredder (like BulletStorm), then that is how it rolls. Don't get on the forum and just whine about somehing, that doesn't solve anything. If I were you, I would have just simply stated my case in a clear, blunt tone and OFFERED A SUGGESTION ON HOW TO AMEND MY CONCERN. For example: if I was in your position, I'd ask for an option that disables any gore in the game. Language isn't something that the game company can fix because they would have to record up to twice as much audio, and most people are cool with NPC swearing because they are used to all the 7-10 year olds with neglectful parents that are raging and using every insult in (and sometimes not in) the book to trash talk you over how you play Call of Duty (I hard scoped instead of quick scoped in MW2 and some punk actually went into a tiraid over it). Compared to that, what an NPC does in a game is usually nothing.

ok, I'm done. Backlash please?

I agrre with summer. Don't add thing that don't fit the setting or lore.

Oblivion was NOT a moderate approach... Oblivion was about as mild as you can possibly get and still even have anything remotely called "blood" at all. There were no wounds at all, the blood disappeared in 3 seconds by evaporating into nothing, and enemies "died" by basically looking like they were Sleeping Beauty impersonators. A moderate approach would be that about the same amount of blood that was in OB come out, but that it doesn't disappear, but stains, that there are visible wounds to the body when the character dies, and in rare cases of power attacks on fatal strikes that limbs and heads can be severed.

An extreme gore approach would be fountains of blood, intestines and brains flying out, limbs and heads being severed basically every time, and torsos exploding.

Oblivion was NOT a moderate approach though, I want to reiterate. Very very very tame, too tame.

On the three main issue's my thoughts.

Swearing: Avoid words that would be censored on these forums such as [censored] or [censored] instead using words that are lore friendly like N'wah but something befitting the Nordic provence or maybe even a few in draconic.

Nudity: I don't care for it and would rather keep PC relationships to a minimal and not try to do Bioware's "six sells approach" with their games and their fans. Besides such things are poorly done anyway and better left towards the no doubt large amount of mods involving nudity or relations that typically consist of one night stands.

Gore: Keep it realistic with the occasional decapitation but not overly done blood sprays or exploding bodies. Do however try to make it brutal and finishing moves crude but effective without being too flashy or long.

As for drugs bring back moon sugar and other then that have drugs take a more prominent role in Skyrim.

It's a game with swords, axes, fire, shards of ice, if people can't lose heads or limbs (not as excessive as the fallout series) then i'll be dissapointed. I don't see how people want moderate blood when it is realistic that people bleed a lot and can lose body parts. Swearing? people swear all the time and always have, if i was in battle i would too. But TES has its own swear words and thats what i'd like to be used, it doesn't even have to be excessive either. These things are apart of life and if people want to pretend to ignore them then they have no business playing mature video games.

Drugs are also a huge part of our world and there is the drugs of TES so i would like it to be potrayed realistically with gangs, crazy users, and problems with them. Lets have some "try skooma once and you're hooked and your life is ruined!" people.

Your poll is a logical fallacy. It's not as if you either get a game worthy of a pormo mag or one with minimal blood and no cursing at all.

I prefer my games to be bloody when appropriate (as in you cut a guy with a sword he bleeds, not if you chop his head off and it's a blood geyser). Same with swearing. Appropriate swearing by appropriate characters (ie ones who would be expected to swear) is great - it adds realism. Gratuitous swearing (like in most college comedy movies) isn't funny at all and is just a reflection of immaturity.

So fix your poll and maybe its results will mean something.

i think your question is kinda narrow minded the way its asked but i get the question you meant the way it sounds to me though is "is the blood, gore, violence, and cussing the only reason i want it because i am a brainless psychopath." but i know you just asking if i like that stuff in my games.

in a world as brutal as The Elder Scrolls, especially in a land as harsh as Skyrim, i would think it would be unrealistic to not have a few foul mouth people running around, or have the blood bounce across the ice. if there wasnt i would feel i was running around in Mr Rogers Neighbourhood.

drugs have always been in TES (schooma) so that is a mute point to the seiries. and six and nudity i could care less about. if they added six in like in fable or other games that would be fine but its not something i dont have to have.

Well, there's not going to be any nudity in Skyrim and there's not going to be so much gore that you'll see a guy losing his spleen. It seems like you're just upset that some forms of media exist that have those things, they are not at all relevant to Skyrim and as you said, not even something you see threads of on this forum, so please take this somewhere else. You're complaining about nothing.

^yeah also the poll is invalid. according to your poll there are only two kinds of people: Immature people who ONLY care about gore and cursing and stuff, and people who think exactly like the OP (mild gore/no cursing).

I like a pretty good amount of gore, more than Oblivion, but a little less than Fallout, and i only like cursing when it's in good taste, but all of this won't make a big difference to me one way or the other when I'm playing the game.

TES never really had many modern curse words, so that really isn't an issue.

May I ask how old you are, because it appears that you do not live in the real world.

Are you suggesting that virtually every single action movie in existance is in the same level as Duke nukem?

You are attacking people with large heavy weapons, not inflated toys here of course blood and gore is required.

Let's stop with the personal attacks and insults or both threads will be closed and not allowed for a day or two.

I just thought it was ironic for someone to call themselves a Viking and not want Bethesda to make it a 'brutal' game.

However as you wish I shall leave it be.

Oblivion had to be tame because they aimed for a T rating which was a mistake in my opinion. Skyrim will be more mature but it won't be on the levels of Fallout 3 or New Vegas. You'll have Blood, Violence, Possible Mild Swearing and maybe one or two other things that I've forgotten but that's it. If your expecting F bombs to be dropped when playing Skyrim you'll be disappointed.

I already said im 34 and im trying to state a Point that with the Generation of today and the Games coming out, People want Swearing and Decapitation.

Is Portal 2 or Batman Arkham City or Skyrim or Half Life 2 Ep3 for Sissies when they come with their M rated style.

Doesent matter if you are on the Street or at Home or watching a Movie, why must Normal Life be Gay when you live in your Own Fantasy World with Violence and Swearing and Decapitiation.

Heck, 12 - 15 Year Old Kids are Playing Resident Evil or Dead Space 2 or Left 4 Dead 2.

I love how Oblivion kept the Minimal Blood spew and Hate the fact that it dissapeard.

Just Cause 2 is 16+ yet the Game is for 12 Year Olds with No Violence and No Swearing, even the Blood looked like Fake Red Jelly.

Cool, they have a ton of games that give them all that and more. They don't need all games. Being a very mature woman who has just about seen it all I liked the level of Oblivion or less. I want some mature games that don't put blood and gore in our face. I still enjoy playing an occasional gory or foul language game just as I still occasionally play a game made for young kids. But must we have every single mature game loaded with gore? Can't we have a less gruesome mature game as well? Isn't there room for all of the above? Must we add gore to all games?

Gore is fine and some games are good at adding it. This series, in my opinion, hasn't had too much of it and doesn't need it to be a wonderful beautiful and amazing world filled with many varied things to do. It's a sandbox with a little of everything and not too much of one thing. A bit o combat for those who like but not so much gore for those who would rather not have too much. A bit o lore for the lore buffs but not so much as to spoil it for those who don't dig it so much, A bit o herbs and flowers and mushrooms for the alchemist but not so much that it bores the "I'm not picking dasies" crowd. A bit o romance for the romantic, A bit o politics for the political minded, A bit o magic for the magika crew. A bit o hunting for the hunters, A bit o houses and decorations for those who like it, A bit of flesh for the modders to improve....you get it. TES has always had parts and pieces for folks who like all sorts of styles of playing. It's a game you can role play in and for me at least, I want to be able to play many roles. I don't want this game to be about realistic combat. I want it to be about stat based combat. I don't want normal swear words in Tamriel unless they are swear words they would use like N'wah, Criminal Scum....maybe a spotted owl . This is not a game of this world. It's not supposed to be realistic. It's an alternate world.

And most of all I love this series because I can add mods to add more of what I want in my game. You want more gore? Buy it for PC and take up modding. It's fun, it's a learning experience and it's a way to add all that gore and earthly swearing and more alchemy or more magika, or Better Bodies or better graphics.

As it is, it is the simply most amazing series that belongs to us all that have played it. This game isn't about merely good and realistic combat, it's about giving us an alternate world to live in where many of us can play a role. Where we can make decisions our character would make and where we can go anywhere we want to when we want to. It's about much, much more than combat. For me, in fact, combat is just a aside I must train to do so that I may be successful in bringing peace to Tamriel.

lol, that failed so hard it wins.

I agree with both of these, which is why I didn't vote. There's no middle ground, as if everyone has to either be a perfect saint, or a blood-thirsty devil. I am neither.

hell, I'd even go as far to say have some dismemberment with some of the finishing flourishes. nothing over the top like fallout's 9mm pistol decapitation, but if you swing a claymore at a guy's arm it's very unlikely that it will stay attached.

So how many swings should it take with a claymore to sever an arm?

I HAVE had a problem with kids playing M rated games, it is usually due to neglectful and inept stances parents have towards the game industry and the ESRB, and when they eventually find out that little Timmy has been ripping the horrendessly deformed tounge and esophegus out of a nightmarishly mutated person on his XBox or PlayStation, they want to blame the game industry for producing such content and the ESRB for neglect. A game with an M rating is clearly explained by the ESRB as having scenes of intense violence, blood and gore, and mature language. On top of that, most retail chains including GameStop, Wal-Mart, and Best Buy restrict sales of these games to people at least 17 and force you to prove it with your photo ID. If you don't like what the content descriptors say on the back of the box, you are MORE than welcome to ask the clerk to put the game back, and buy something less offensive.

I would just like the game to be tasteful. I know that's subjective but Bethesdas never let me down in that regard before. I mean sure Fallout 3 had a ton of gore and swearing, but that's because it was part of the Fallout franchise, it's just to be expected with that kind of atmosphere.

I honestly believe, though I may just be naive, that Bethesda truly just makes the games they want to play. I don't think they just sit down at meetings and go "What does this game need that will make it more popular?"

I don't want anything too excessive. Im not looking for six minigames or decapitation with every critical hit. The blood spatter we saw in the trailer looked great. The axe smashing into the dragur's head was amazing. I do want to hear people saying fetcher and N'wah.