This. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I really hope this was said with the upmost sarcasm. Because that word is not a recent addition to the English language for the use of current high schoolers.

Nope, not a new word, but I promise you it was never heard used much until more recent years. It used to have an effect if someone used it. Now it's just another word. I rather miss the days when it was shocking. No words shock anyone anymore. All just words now like, "pretty", "ugly", "bread", "flower" and "crud".

Profanity is very interesting to me. When I was in middle school I just decided not to swear, because all the other kids started swearing to be cool. It's a habit that's stuck with me. It's actually very fascinating. Take the word "svcks." Nowadays it's just a synonym for "is bad." When my dad was young it was almost on the level of the F bomb.

I'm noticing this with a**. Yes I know I can type it but I'm weird with swears. I've noticed this is becoming a more and more acceptable word. They openly say it on American Idol now, something that still makes me cringe... but I wouldn't complain or anything. Language changes. What used to be a medium level curse is now becoming something that isn't a big deal anymore.


Oh you. I don't wear skirts I just cringe like a little girl at gore. There's a difference you see. :celebration:

Yes we both agree with options. I fully support gore as long as it's optional. We already know that they are aiming for a middle ground with Skyrim though.

This ^^ is my only point. The word was not really used much if barely at all back when Red Dead was taking place. That is what I mean by it being out of place. Sure the word was around but not used like it is today. It would totally ruin the experience for me if it was in a TES game.

Biased poll is stupid.. and biased.

This is a pretty dumb topic in the Skyrim Discussion... I say this, in TES there are next to no curse words but there should be blood.

In games in general like Fallout where I shoot a ghoul in the face and blood splaters on the wall kind of blood, not sowrd covered in blood for 10 seconds then blood vanishes like Oblivion.

Is there a middle option? I don't mind blood or cursing (as long as it it within reason) but the first option is just too over the top for a good game.

Back in the time of Charles dikeens, the word "humbug" was about as profane as (and meant the same as) the word "[censored]" did not long ago. Profanity changes. I bet that our kids will be used to other "profane" words that we don't consider now. (Though the general trend dictates that the culture our kids will be living in probably won't even have that much of a care about profanity, and rightly so. Ideas should be profane, not expletives.)

blood and gore make games sometimes more funner... (ex) ripping a guys limbs off and use his limbs to smack off his head (mortal combat reference, i know) is kind of fun. I'm not saying it should be in skyrim, but enough to where it at least looks somewhat realistic.

As for cussing, i dont care.

six, dont care

drugs, dont care

nudity, dont care

I can't really vote on the poll because it's just two choices instead of a possible four choices but back to the question. I think Skyrim will be more mature and will have an M rating but we don't need a huge amount of swear words and certainly no nudity. If people want to mod that in that's their business but let's not create more controversey then is already needed (Points at Grand Theft Auto III)

The poll is pretty loaded. Blood, gore, six and swearing isn't the ONLY reason I'd buy Skyrim, but I don't object to it either.

Id love to see some drug smuggling, prostitution etc in this game. Not because I want to drugs and nudity, but because I want the atmosphere it brings.

I just loved it in Morrowind when the first thing I did was to find that skooma smuggling city/cave.

And lets face it, those poor people have darn good reasons to start hitting the skooma.

The poll is biased, as others have said. I don't really care about about gore in video games, because I'm able to differentiate between the fake, video-game world and the real world. In all honesty, if you're looking to shock me, you're going to have to ramp up the gore quite a bit, because it's in a video game. I'm just not going to be affected easily by it. I personally don't swear, but nor am I going to get my panties in a twist if someone in a video game decides to. It's not like a TES game is going to swear a lot anyway. I do find six in video games awkward, because it's so absent of emotion, but that's a very personal reason -- and like most things in TES, I don't have to do that particular quest or patronize that particular establishment if I don't want to.

In short, I don't really care about gore/six/violence, because it's a video game. Why on earth would you even care? If you don't want to buy mature content, don't buy a mature game.

That said, TES isn't going for shock value, it's going for realism. I highly doubt that there will be a gore slider. We've seen how far the gore is going to go in Skyrim in the trailer, when the player slams his axe into the NPCs chest. That's probably the limit.

EDIT: I can't type, hurr durr.

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That is one reason I never could play Red Dead......you really expect me to believe they used the F word way back then

Red Dead took place in 1914 I think, I'm pretty shure they said F. Wasn't that long ago. I'm shure that word has been around for hundreds of years

What do you mean way back then? You mean like a little over 100 years ago?

The "F Word" was in John Ash's 1775 A New and Complete Dictionary defined as "low" or "vulgar"

Also coming from a time where congressional disputes regularly ended with one man threatening to "brain" another with a copper spittoon.

That First option was Over Borderline AO ESRB Rating...

Nah, check out Duke Nukem Forever. Still rated M

Poll is very biased. Where is the mild blood and swearing option and many other options?

No you are expected to believe deadwood was part of its source material(it was). Swearing is part of the modern society thus it's part of the scripts written by people who live in that society.that said it's a shame that little nit pick put you off it was really an immersible experience other wise. You can't really blame rock star for the script,I mean I personally cant see it selling with it's old era cussing not that historical accuracy is not important just that its hard to research terminologically accurate words then fix it to a script and have modern society relate to it. Thats why I don't care to much for dialog or at least I wont let it ruin my experience with Skyrim. I just want to kill dragons who cares if someone drops an F bomb or two,you can only hear a good story once but fun games you can play forever. :tes:

O_O and the ESRB complained about oblivion... I remember that they repealed the rating because of a mod... though full nudity and that much gore would be a tad excessive

Dude! Can we maybe have more choices?

I like a game that had drugs (already in the game), partial nudity, sixuality, mild blood, and some swearing to add some flavor to the language. I just want a more robust and mature world that deals with some advlt situations better.

Oblivion has a wink wink, nudge nudge brothel, and a group of thieves who used sixuality as a method of blackmail. Nevertheless, Oblivion was annoyingly puritanical in conception because it was originally trying to go for a T-Rating. Moreover, doing so despite the game being full of violent bloody melee combat. Only when ‘mods’ were made for the PC version for nvde avatars was the company forced to bring the game out as an M-Rated game. However, the game should have been a ‘hard’ M-Rating from the start, instead of foolishly chasing a twelve years old playership.

I want an advlt themed game with less blood and more sixual themes. I do not want to see six, and I am not even that keen on seeing nudity, but I do want any sixual or romantic themes dealt with without snickering or joking. Better to remove anything sixual or romantic if they refuse to take the subjects seriously.

As to the question of children...

I honestly would like children in the game and have the same rules apply to them as any other NPC.
This whole issue of treating the depiction of children a "special" is a terrible precedent to make. These are characters, figments of imagination like any character in a story. Depictions of fictitious characters need to be very open to any possibility, as they would be in a book or movie. We have been backsliding on this concept in western culture and THAT is dangerous. If the rules being applied to movies, comic, and video games were applied to literature about 1,000 classic works of literature would be ILLIEGAL.

Perhaps the saddest outcome in the decline of reading is that we no longer remember that literature is full of brutality that often included children as well as advlts. Try reading Voltaire's Candide without turning a few pages where a child is not described as dead, [censored], worked like a slave, or owned like cattle.

(The very fact the above word is censored just proves my point. Bethesda has a lot of growing up to do when mere words send it into a tizzy. As if pretending words and ideas do not exist as long as people cannot see them and that not seeing certain words makes the world a safer place. )

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/synopsis.jsp?Certificate=30650

This is a 13+ rated forum. We have to censor.

That said, please steer away from discussion of being able to kill children. You skirted it but don't even go there at all.