It seems like the magazine that the OP said the info was from is indeed valid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giochi_per_il_mio_computer



^^First post BTW

Fail

Game Informer didn't say birth signs would be in. They only talked about the "nebulae" skill screen. In fact, a lot of people surmised birth signs wouldn't be in because of the GI article. This just confirms it.

Is anyone really surprised by the removal of skills, spell creation, and birth signs? Seems par for the course to me. Removing stuff worked so well in Oblivion, why not continue the trend :facepalm:



Like what?

The only reason why i can say they got rid of spell making is because all he spells can be used in multiple ways...that would be a pain in the ass to pull off for allowing people to make custom spells. Now all spells have multiple uses and prolly get better as you get better with them.

I dont care.
Spell customization was a TES staple.

It allowed for that very thing I love in a game, freedom.

No spell creation = pre-made spells = hack n slash.

I never used spell creation in Oblivion anyway, so I don't really care if it's in or not.

Wow no spell customization?

Incredible bethesda...

Most RPGs don't allow the player to create new spells. So, how does this make it not an RPG?

Nonetheless, that is the only thing that worries me so far. It could turn out okay but I want more info before I'll endorse it.

Which, also, was never stated. All it said was it was using Steam instead of GFWL.. nothing more. Dark Messiah uses Steam, but you can choose not to install it or ever touch it (which is precisely what I did).


Because the last two games were essentially the same engine using the same basic UI. This time around, they're taking a serious look at improving the UI.


No it does not. Not according to the information we have, they say nothing of scaled quests, just quests that can be changed according to how you've played, where you've been, etc. They say there's FO3-like area level scaling (which, BTW, I'm not very fond of), but this is not as bad as Oblivion. And also, randomized != scaled.

I seriously think it means opponents will be scaled around your level and so will the rewards, ie all level scaled just like Ob but wrapped up in a new name because 'Heh, the fans will never notice'

Most so called RPG's on the market arent RPG's.
This is called false advertising.
Fable? action adventure.
Mass effect? action adventure, certainly not RPG.

In fact, there are no real RPG's I can think of that are made these days. At least not for console.
Perhaps D&D still does something for pc.

Without spell customization, and continuing the road oblivion began means TES is no longer an RPG.

That is some sweet info. :celebration: :celebration: :celebration: :celebration: :celebration:

It svcks that Birthsigns and custom spells won't be in the game but that's not a big deal at all. The Steam thing concerns me but I'll wait until Bethesda says something before I jump to conclusions.

There were very, very few "real" RPGs to begin with. More recently, only Arcanum and the old Fallout games would apply.

No spell creation does svck. :sadvaultboy: That said though I already knew there would be some things about the game I dont like.

How does changing the magnitude and spell duration of a flamethrower work?
The magic system is nothing like before. As for combining spells you do have two hands, but I have a feeling I can't win you over .

If I'm wrong about this, please correct me, but didn't the first CRPGS consist entirely of dungeon-diving, as in killing monsters and getting loot? If so, what exactly is wrong with today's RPGs that makes them not RPGs? :huh:

What RPGs have allowed spell creation? I can only think of TES games so that seems like a strange criterion for a true RPG.

So, Baldur's Gate, Arcanum, Dragon Age: Origins, etc. are hack n slash and not RPGs?

Considering that I only cared about pre-made spells in Oblivion to get the effect out of them and then make my own, better spells (except maybe one or two unusually cost-effective pre-made spells), I see one great thing with spellmaking being removed - a reason to use pre-made spells.
Spellmaking in all it's honor, but it would be awesome to find a tome in the end of a hard dungeon that gives you a powerful spell upon reading, instead of making your own über-spells and casting the others aside.

U Mad?
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9765/haterstodd.jpg

Let's be honest it will though.

It's truly amazing how you have no idea what you're talking about.

The only thing that makes very unhappy is... People who give you quests are marked as Essential like in Oblivion.
WHAT THE [censored], BETHESDA?!

Wow, seriously no spell creation? I so badly wanted to create a 100 area of affect fireball. At least let us create the area of effect and not combine more than one elemental power. I'm seriously disappoint :spotted owl:

That is precisely why I would not consider them true RPGs either, as they lack the R from RPG.

No spell creation makes me beyond disappointed. If that turns out to be true it will be a miracle for them to get my money...