Darn it I was gonna say that.

Will I be able to use it as a shield to hide my boner?

I think it will be considered one of the greatest works of art in the video game media years from now.

I predict it will be like the other TES games. A world where I can get away from the stresses that plague life, the brutal wars caused by greed and anger, stupid people coming to power and playing with other peoples health and status, and every other bad thing in Earth. I think Skyrim will give me several hours to just relax and not give a [censored] what happens in the world. I've gotten to the point where I'm tired of politics, religion, and most humans on Earth. Video games can give me at least some reprieve and take me somewhere without idiots taking power, maniacs being called heroes for killing their fellow man for money, and people actually have more than 15 intelligence with their enchanted gear on.

That... is Skyrim. /PR

And that's where you lost me. Real men still play Sims 2!

Real men don't even PLAY Sims.

Seriously, I tried to rent it from Blockbuster a few years ago. There was a Sonic the Hedgehog disc in it.

I still kick that clerks ass weekly.

There are games immortalized by exceptionally innovative gameplay, basically created it's own genre and studied by game designers in text books.

While skyrim might be a technical marvel with unparalleled replayability and gameplay, it will not be in the text books your grandkids read about.

Well there's 2 problems right there. You went to Blockbuster, and you were going to get it for the console. The console version svcks, as it doesn't include the 4,000 xpacs they released for it. Not to mention the mods. Same as for TES.

You obviously haven't seen my Sims 3 set up.

But yes Sims 2 did have a moxy that only real men could rumble with.

This can kind of be stated for everything if you think hard enough about it. Books aren't just books they are a medium used to transport us to different places. They are an entire universe with lore and structure. Skyrim and TES in general is also something that is it's own universe. It has it's own societies, cultures, hardships, etc. But the realization that it isn't our reality is what separates us from the "cosplayers" and what not. But that isn't necessarily bad like Aegis Klaeis earlier in the forum pointed out.

They bring shame on themselves and their families? This isn't feudal japan. I really don't care if somebody wants to dress up as Altaiir or Tomb Raider. When it gets to the point where it becomes their reality is where a line needs to be drawn but even then it isn't harming me. But all of that is besides the point. The point is that every form of media is more than what it is to somebody no matter what it is. So, yes, Skyrim is more than just a game but it isn't my reality nor my universe. I'm just looking through the window at it and enjoying the sights and sounds while it passes by. So with that in mind we should be able to enjoy Skyrim as if it was an actual universe while still knowing that it isn't. < Kind of confusing but that's the best I can describe.

I read not a single word of this thread but yes, it is just a [censored] video game. Don't make it out to be anything more than entertainment.

Mayhaps you should read the entire OP at least?

watch the video form about 6-7 moths before his 'meltdown'....the guys actually a really caring and ingenious person. unfortunately he said some things that pissed some people off, and he fought it with laughter and WINNIIIIIING! instead of fading out like so many before have

You can't say anything and expect to be taken seriously until you read the argument. Didn't you learn anything about debating in highschool?

He is one of my heroes.

He truly is a Quasar among stars. When he went supernova Everyone felt it. and under the umami of his warlock thunder there was a wisdom drowned in tigerblood and served on tray of win.


Side joke (with all due respect): How much moonsugar did Charlie Sheen do? Enough to kill two and a half men! :laugh:

Yes its just a video game. An epic video game but still a video game.

Actually going back and reading the OP just reinforces my opinion. 2001 was revolutionary because it introduced a number of new cinematography techniques and special effects that are still in use today. Watchmen did something with comics that had really never been done before, namely elevating them to the same level of deconstructive introspective that can be found in literature. The rest of your examples are, uh... well, let's not go into that. But no, Skyrim is not going to revolutionize anything. It's going to be a very big and very entertaining video game that people will sink tons of hours into. It won't even revolutionize video games. It will do what its predecessors did: deliver a huge fantasy action RPG sandbox like nobody's business.

But that's it.

Morrowind redefined. Plus, OB and Fallout are both in the smithsonian exhibits so.... Just saying it's got a pedegree for "moreness".

No, dear god, no, folks I understand that its easy to be swept up in all the hype surrounding Skyrim. But let's not get carried away. I have no doubt that I will enjoy playing it. I think many of you out there will also enjoy playing it. But will it be the greatest thing of all time? Probably not, and you should really look at Bethesda's track record and the fan divisions their games have if you think otherwise.

Oh and for the record 2001 is just a movie, the Stand was just a book, Watchmen was just a comic book, (don't say graphic novel around Alan Moore, just don't) and Star Trek was just a tv show. Because I know quite a few that didn't care for each one of those examples, or will be happy to point out the flaws in them as well. This whole idea, of "advancing an industry" to me is just silly. First off because while certain ideas caught on, that doesn't mean everyone liked them. (quick time events anyone.) Secondly no one thing should every be credited for said "advancement" because believe me many of those things got there inspiration from somewhere else as well. To quote the bible, "There is nothing new under the sun."

Now please, come down from the stage, opera night was last Friday.

I meant surviving as art "despite" advancments in the industry. IMO Skyrim isn't advancing gameplay mechanics, graphics etc. My view is all about aesthetics, scope, and narrative. Graphics and gameplay will be out of date my christmas.

Morrowind redefined The Elder Scrolls and that's about it. There wasn't a huge influx of big open-world first person RPGs after its arrival. Moddability of PC games didn't explode. There was no huge trend of usage-based skill advancement in RPGs. It's notable in and of itself but it's not a world-shaker like some of the things you listed are. It's a game. A unique one with an unforgettable experience attached to it but a game, nothing more. It didn't change the industry or anyone's mind. Isn't it enough for it to just be a really damn good game?

Of course, in fact that's kinda my point. A good game is one that steals you for a couple hours. A damn good game has a deeper hold on it's fans and can harpen thier heart strings and play a sonnet years later. That's art.

Kubrick films=TES games.

kinda in left field, transcends definition, started out niche, ended in a wave of influence.

Skyrim is the new Ocarina of Time

No skyrim is also food
Seriously first the game isn't out yet and second I have yet to see a game in the age of consoles come close to the masterpieces of the past like (Planescape:Torment,fallout,etc)
No that's a lie The Witcher series came close.
But thats not to say TES series aren't very fun to play but they are just games.