How much better looking can it really get, by current gaming PC technology, than what we've seen in screesnhots, anyway?

Again, this is not what I was getting at. One poster here insinuated that they would be fine if graphics had never advanced pass the PS1 days. I find it hard to believe that any gamer would hold this opinion, but he holds by his stance. A mans opinion is his own, and I wont argue that.

Still, logically I can't see any reason why a gamer would WANT technology to stagnate, when it is what drive much of the industry we love forward.


Maybe you thought I was trying to make a different point, or attacking oblivion? I assure you I am not. What I said was a self contained response to one or two posters sentiments. Not a blanket statement, or a statement about anything other than their opinions for that matter.







It is "could not care less". Could care less means that you do care.

This is true, but they're already going through the trouble of making an entire game, is it really that much more work to add in a few graphical tweaks for PC gamers? It may just be a few tweaks, but they will go a long way. And If money is what they care about, make the damned PC version double the price! I don't care, I would gladly pay that for a game properly made for the PC.

I get the feeling Bethesda is caring less and less about their original PC fan base as time goes on.

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/1149/crysis2a.jpg

I wonder if all the Xbox users didn't care about graphics when they first bought their consoles in first place. When Oblivion and Mass Effect looked so realistic and Gears of Wars and Halo were breathtaking. Now it's like everyone is making up excuses to defend their old hardware instead of pressuring Microsoft and Sony to actually upgrade their rigs.

I bought my Xbox because some games I wanted to play were being made exclusively for consoles. And because some types of game are better played on the comfort of your couch, using a joysting. But you have to be really blind in order refuse that consoles -are- getting really old and there's little we can do as players about it. We could, however, express our desires to see consoles catching up with the latest technology instead of sitting here and saying very stupid things like "graphics don't matter" in a VIDEOgame. There are people actually saying well "Morrowind and Daggerfall didn't look so great but the its the gameplay made them entertaining". Those games looked IMPRESSIVE at the time they were released. This is the first time in the Elder Scrolls history where we won't see a GIANT leap in technology.

Visuals have always been the reason why videogames have evolved. Great characters, epic plots, and even gameplay have all existed before in other media. In books, table-top RPGs, Muds, mushes, immersion depended on your imagination. In movies and comic books, it's the imagery that gets you immersed, but you have no degree of control over what's going on. The combination of interaction and graphics is what defines a videogame. The fact you can interact with a visual interface has been the driving force of videogame evolution, otherwise we'd all be playing text MUDs and playing with Ataris.

There's no reason to bash consoles and the status quo of the industry, but for god's sake, how about rethinking that kind of conformist attitude that will get us nowhere in the next 5, 6 years? I can respect people who can't afford a PC that costs thousands of dollars, but that's no reason to expect your hardware will last forever. Long time PC users know all too well how fast things change, but it seems console users, especially those who didn't grow up in the golden era of PC gaming are actually settling for that.

What's the point of wasting millions of dollars on technology research for the next console gen if costumers are more than happy to play on a decade old system? Just keep selling the same stuff and take your profit from a stagnant industry.

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/1149/crysis2a.jpg

/pwnt

Wouldn't an open-world RPG like Skyrim have much more to process at any given time? Expecting Crysis-level graphics in Skyrim would be expecting too much, in my opinion.

Wouldn't an open-world RPG like Skyrim have much more to process at any given time? Expecting Crysis-level graphics in Skyrim would be expecting too much, in my opinion.

As has been said, money is where it's at and that means developers are going to focus their energy on consoles. TBH, sometimes I'm happy that us PC gamers even get a port of a game at all because I've seen more than one situation in which we almost didn't get a game (i.e. TFU off the top of my head). That's becoming more and more the case these days. I just bought a 360 and part of the reason is because of this kind of debate. I'll not be giving up on PC gaming but I'm honestly getting to the point where I feel like I might as well stop fighting the trend and just give in. "When in Rome..."

You mean there's a faint shred of hope that Skyrim will run on my, by then, almost 2 year old machine? :celebration:

Agreed, but who was expecting Crysis like graphics?

Wouldn't an open-world RPG like Skyrim have much more to process at any given time? Expecting Crysis-level graphics in Skyrim would be expecting too much, in my opinion.

You mean there's a faint shred of hope that Skyrim will run on my, by then, almost 2 year old machine? :celebration:

Still, logically I can't see any reason why a gamer would WANT technology to stagnate, when it is what drive much of the industry we love forward.

True enough, the screens look awesome and I have faith the game will turn out amazing visually.
But despite this...there's this little voice in my head that I can't quite ignore, constantly whispering: "It could look better"
That could just be insanity though. The game will look great for sure.

Well realistically, is it really expecting too much? PC technology is still way ahead of any of the current generation of the games that are being released. If Bethesda really wanted to (and it would obviously severely limit who could play the game) they could more than easily have Crysis graphics, if not better I think. However, not everyone has a godly gaming computer, so they need to keep the game accessible to as many people as possible.

Nope. Beth open world + crysis level grfx + 32bit runtime = Not enough memory. period.