Skyrim is so Lord of the Rings : V - Skyrim

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:38 pm

Oblivion was fellowship

Skyrim is two towers

That doesn't make any sense...

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:03 am

Similarities between a fantasy game and LOTR?

I'M SHOCKED! :ahhh:

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:47 am

Oblivion was fellowship
Skyrim is two towers

and Summerset Isle will be The Return of the King

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:13 am

and Summerset Isle will be The Return of the King

I'm curious why everyone think the game after Skyrim will be based in Summerset Isle. There are still many other places to go. None of the games have gone into Black Marsh, Elsweyr, Valenwood, or Summerset Isle, among others, so why there? (With the exception of Arena which was Tamriel)

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:15 am

I hope you only refer to the copying of Tolkien concepts by other fantasy writers, especially concerning games. There is not any game out there yet that does Tolkien's books even remotely justice. All of them just used the LotR license as a money-maker, they make a generic fantasy game and slap the LotR theme on it and it sells. The lore means nothing to them. And yes, that includes LotRO, with their stupid ridable WoW Giant Goats and Runekeeper (mage class) that have no place at all in Tolkien's universe, and their general WoW-ish game concept.

Besides, Tolkien's true masterwork is the Silmarillion, with all the stories from the First and Second Age. Those haven't been touched by anyone yet, since Christopher Tolkien will not allow anyone for as long as legally possible. The 'Tolkien horse' is far from dead, the cheap rip offs and parasites are dead.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:49 pm

This just in, Tolkien invented mountains, tundras, and monsters.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:03 am

Fantasy is so Lord of the Rings

Fixed your title

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:35 pm

Gotta say, the modern fantasy genre wouldn't be what it is without The Lord of The Ring and Tolkien

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:16 am

I hope you only refer to the copying of Tolkien concepts by other fantasy writers, especially concerning games. There is not any game out there yet that does Tolkien's books even remotely justice. All of them just used the LotR license as a money-maker, they make a generic fantasy game and slap the LotR theme on it and it sells. The lore means nothing to them. And yes, that includes LotRO, with their stupid ridable WoW Giant Goats and Runekeeper (mage class) that have no place at all in Tolkien's universe, and their general WoW-ish game concept.

Besides, Tolkien's true masterwork is the Silmarillion, with all the stories from the First and Second Age. Those haven't been touched by anyone yet, since Christopher Tolkien will not allow anyone for as long as legally possible. The 'Tolkien horse' is far from dead, the cheap rip offs and parasites are dead.

Amen.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:41 am

Fantasy would have done just fine without Tolkien.

How can you be so sure?

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:02 am

I hope you only refer to the copying of Tolkien concepts by other fantasy writers, especially concerning games. There is not any game out there yet that does Tolkien's books even remotely justice. All of them just used the LotR license as a money-maker, they make a generic fantasy game and slap the LotR theme on it and it sells. The lore means nothing to them. And yes, that includes LotRO, with their stupid ridable WoW Giant Goats and Runekeeper (mage class) that have no place at all in Tolkien's universe, and their general WoW-ish game concept.

Besides, Tolkien's true masterwork is the Silmarillion, with all the stories from the First and Second Age. Those haven't been touched by anyone yet, since Christopher Tolkien will not allow anyone for as long as legally possible. The 'Tolkien horse' is far from dead, the cheap rip offs and parasites are dead.

Oh don't worry, I agree with everything you said, and yes that is what I meant with the dead horse... I have been defending Tolkien here for some time now. It's surprising me how little credit some are willing to give the man considering everyone here consider themselves fantasy fans.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:33 am

Oblivion was fellowship

Skyrim is two towers

Skyrim is the culmination of the first five, so Skyrim would be Return of the King

One thing from LOTR I REALLY want in Skyrim is some huge Dwemer underground cities like Moria or the ones in DA:O.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:05 am

Ive never watched a Lord Of The Rings movie..... :[

Am I missing out? Or is it the same as Harry Potter?

:facepalm:

Sorry, but this is one of the few times I really wanted to do a face palm. :twirl:

With all due respect, yes I believe your are missing out. LOTR eat Harry Potter alive.

:mage:

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:07 am

I hope you only refer to the copying of Tolkien concepts by other fantasy writers, especially concerning games. There is not any game out there yet that does Tolkien's books even remotely justice. All of them just used the LotR license as a money-maker, they make a generic fantasy game and slap the LotR theme on it and it sells. The lore means nothing to them. And yes, that includes LotRO, with their stupid ridable WoW Giant Goats and Runekeeper (mage class) that have no place at all in Tolkien's universe, and their general WoW-ish game concept.

Besides, Tolkien's true masterwork is the Silmarillion, with all the stories from the First and Second Age. Those haven't been touched by anyone yet, since Christopher Tolkien will not allow anyone for as long as legally possible. The 'Tolkien horse' is far from dead, the cheap rip offs and parasites are dead.

So very true. And possibly the one LotR game that could have done it justice, was "put in the freezer".

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:49 am

Comparing Skyrim or Game of Thrones to Tolkien is like comparing the Star Wars series to Dune: they may all have their merits, but some are very cool while the "originals" are incredibly powerful innately.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:50 am

I'm a new LOTRO player and even though I LOVE The Elder Scrolls series and have played it since 2003, lotro has hundreds of things I wish ES had. I regret not playing lotro before. I thought it would be another cartoony colorful game like WoW. The lotro map is one of the biggest in a video game second only to Daggerfall. Bethesda should take a look at lotro and see how they have done certain things. Pure, hardcoe rpg there.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:29 am

Every modern fantasy book or game or movie is based on Tolkien. So is Skyrim.

Wrong.

:facepalm:

...Orcs and hobbits were created directly by Tolkien...

Wrong ... Orcs existed far before Tolkien. They were already mentioned in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:08 pm

I've been a Tolkien fan since the 6th grade but even I think this is lame. Not to mention a huge stretch.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:05 am

<---- "Skyrim I guess you can say is a bit like a few things Lord of the Rings, Mount and Blade, Minecraft."

But Skyrim is very original :tes:

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:17 am

Well Tolkien did start the genre, it's only smart to make similarites. That being said, Bethesda has created their own world, with it's own lore. Tolkien's influence is there, but Bethesda has done a nice job crafting a very unique game world.

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:57 pm

Wrong.

:facepalm:

Not really, where did the orcs come from? The elves with pointy ears and blonde hair?? TES is definetly influenced by tolkien as they have made several easter eggs refering to lotr...

» Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:24 pm

It uses the same setting with a different world. Blaming it for that is like blaming fiction for drawing from reality. Good works that establish a new, unique setting should be praised for their originality, but faulting those that don't is foolish.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:45 am

Not really, where did the orcs come from? The elves with pointy ears and blonde hair?? TES is definetly influenced by tolkien as they have made several easter eggs refering to lotr...

Orcs were already mentionned in Beowulf, as I said before. But yes, Tolkien developed them a lot.

Well Tolkien did start the genre, it's only smart to make similarites. That being said, Bethesda has created their own world, with it's own lore. Tolkien's influence is there, but Bethesda has done a nice job crafting a very unique game world.

No Tolkien didn't satrt the genre, but he was one of the fathers of the genre. Don't forget people like http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Howard.

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:14 am

I Re-watched the Extended LOTR Movies and Skyrim has Similarities, man i cant wait for this Game. :ahhh:

The Misty Mountains and the Mines of Moria, plus the Open Tundra of Whitrun where the Giants and Mammoths walk. Im so gonna ride a Horse there with a Dragon on my tail

every modern fantasy game/book/movie is "so Lord of the Rings"

» Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:41 am

A lot of fantasy may have been inspired by Tolkien, however, remember that Tolken was inspired by mythology, to include Norse mythology.

"Tolkien was much inspired by early Germanic, especially Old English literature, poetry, and mythology, which were his chosen and much-loved areas of expertise. These sources of inspiration included Old English literature such as Beowulf, Norse sagas such as the Volsunga saga and the Hervarar saga,[119] the Poetic Edda, the Prose Edda, the Nibelungenlied, and numerous other culturally related works."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien#Influences

Recognizing this concept makes it easier for one to compare the Nords of Skyrim, who were inspired by the Norse of Earth, to Toklien references.

The bottom line is that Tolkien and Skyrim were both somewhat inspired, at the core, by Norse mythology, as well as other sources.