Skyrim's Magic System

Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:17 am

Interesting - do you mean that if you are in a hot environment that your frost spells should be reduced in power, for example?


Yes or boosted, in the wall of text example I have of a new spell system being in the Mountain tops would reduce resistances to frost, frost spells would be stronger magnified from the environment and compounded when using shield spells like Frost shield (which would be an actual shield of frost to protect against FIRE not frost) spells leaving and entering the frost shield would ge boosted ontop of the fact that the frost shield makes the character vulnerable to the frigid heights (makes sense wouldnt it?)

So for example, a Dragon is on your ass lighting you up, you use Frost shield to defend against the fire blasts, and your frost attacks gain strength from the shield + environment to turn that dragon into an icicle but then an Ice Dragon happens by, and completely screws your plans and uses the environment + your own shield against you unless you have Barrier, which would stop spells going out and coming it but keeps you alive anyway.

You switch to Fire shield, it buffers you against the Ice Dragons blasts, and melts the snow based on intensity (come on indiviual snow flakes that are supposedly not prerendered? they should melt, and be taken out of the rendering equation D:)

I believe in the aspect that if it strong enough it should overwhelm any defence, unless your smart and laced your shield with Absorb Magicka, this not only fuels your shield and creats a sort of Reverb but also loosens up space for more spells to use...which is why I want spell creation

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It would be nice if other enemies also passively effected the magicka around them, so for instence the Draugr Lord, would stunt or make magicka regeneration slower, or sporadic for reasons I don't know, just an example, ANYTHING that makes it so I can't solve everything by whacking it :(
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:38 am

While watching the e3 demo video that they showed on g4tv they scroll through some of the magic schools in the skills menu. I did notice that now paralyze is in alteration but the rest of the time theres this stupid sign in the way saying what game it is that their showing -_- Anyone have a link to this video where that isn't in the way?
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:45 pm

Well, this is bizzar. In every spellmaking related topic I've posted that same post - I even had a topic about it way back when which didn't get past the first page - but this is the first time people responded to it.

Anyway, I'm coming up with this part on the fly, but perks could make it more involved for mages. Like there would be a perk that allowed you to use soul gems anywhere, letting mages set up shop anywhere they feel like calling home. Mages could set up their home desk with stuff to make it look like that's the place they do research. Or some scroll combinations would fizzle out or explode in your face untill you found a tome that explained a secret way to combine the effects/were taught a secret technique to combine the effects from a master mage.

Expanding on that, Master Trainer mages could grant you perks you couldn't gain otherwise, so they actually felt like your master and they were teaching you something.

Also...maybe a pen that allowed better scrolls to be made. Higher quality paper as well perhaps? Like I said, I'm coming up with this stuff on the fly. :P I've never got a reply to my post, let alone a post pointing out a possible flaw...so I've never really thought about a way to make it more invovlved.


Also, bare in mind when you're using the book the related skills would level up rather than enchanting. I would think the enchanting skill would only go up when you make the scroll.

These are great ideas for TES back in the day , now they're all bout streamlining and simplifying , ideas like these are considered too complex .
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:37 pm

How about instead of spells getting more powerful as you level up there would be a slider in the magic menu where you determine how much magicka you want to use in any specific spell. So you could could put a moderate amount of magicka into a fireball and have that as your base magic attack or you could choose to pour everything you got into one massive fireball without having them be separate spells. With other noncombat spells this could determine the amplitude of the effect, this way your spell's power is basically based on how much total magicka your dealing with.

Using a system like that you don't end up with the basic spells that are pointless at higher levels. Anyway I agree almost anything would be better than buying spells directly from a vender.


That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. Nice thinking man.
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:59 pm

While watching the e3 demo video that they showed on g4tv they scroll through some of the magic schools in the skills menu. I did notice that now paralyze is in alteration but the rest of the time theres this stupid sign in the way saying what game it is that their showing


that's true, I had forgotten about that video. Added Paralyze to the OP

So far, here is the list of confirmed effects - am I missing anything?

  • healing,
  • fire,
  • frost,
  • shock,
  • clairvoyance,
  • turn undead,
  • circle of protection,
  • paralyze

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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:09 pm

that's true, I had forgotten about that video. Added Paralyze to the OP

So far, here is the list of confirmed effects - am I missing anything?

  • healing,
  • fire,
  • frost,
  • shock,
  • clairvoyance,
  • turn undead,
  • circle of protection,
  • paralyze



I think there were a few other ones spoted when whom ever it was showing the demo went through the fav menu to sellect the healing spells...can't remember off the top of my head though.

These are great ideas for TES back in the day , now they're all bout streamlining and simplifying , ideas like these are considered too complex .


Possibly, but even if all the combinations work perfectly, they could always be toned down untill you have the best equipement and setting to make them - kinda like how armor lowers the effectiveness of spells.
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:29 pm

that's true, I had forgotten about that video. Added Paralyze to the OP

So far, here is the list of confirmed effects - am I missing anything?

  • healing,
  • fire,
  • frost,
  • shock,
  • clairvoyance,
  • turn undead,
  • circle of protection,
  • paralyze



Clairvoyance ,what does this effect exactly do ?
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:19 pm

Clairvoyance ,what does this effect exactly do ?


It makes a really cool looking magical path trace through the air, leading you in the direction of your active quest.
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:32 pm

I would hope such a spell is actually fairly high on the skill chain...AND WHY ISNT IT MYSTICISM? :facepalm: I swear..... I sweear I swear
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:10 pm

I would hope such a spell is actually fairly high on the skill chain...AND WHY ISNT IT MYSTICISM? :facepalm: I swear..... I sweear I swear

Wow... You're right... now once they actually make mysticism useful they get rid of it -_-
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:17 pm

My two cents

-Update- 4/19/11 1up article-
There Will be Some Spell Combining
The most interesting combination that Howard casted was a circle of protection paired with a chain lightning; this caused any foe to be instantly zapped whenever they attempted to close in for a melee attack. Until we get a deeper demo or some hands-on time ourselves, we don't quite know how deep the spell combination system can get, but it already looks pretty snazzy


the qoute above no longer applies as we can clearly see the circle of protection spell not doing anything to the Drauger except making them run away :shrug: that said

This just screams moddable, as in there is a chance to mod in spellcreation.

you already have charging spells with two Hands...I'll just spam that animation, see what scripts we can get going and based on the spell combination BOOM, you remember it, and its in your spell book. and with this ladies and gentlemen, is spell creation the nature of Skyrim and my ideas below fit hand in fuzzing hand, looking forward to the opportunity -
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Since they are overhauling the Magic system and adding environmental effects such as lightning stunning and draining magicka or fire continuing to burn, here is a list I hope with regards to current spell effects. using the Oblivion and Morrowind spell effects archives. its more like a detailed hoped etc etc. again this is the HOPE that they are keeping spell effects and not shelling us with same fable esq crap where you can only cast so many spells and not make your own, trust me after 10 mins its going to get annoying casting the same fireball spell, and context sensitive spell casting is a cheap cop out to me.

Really spells are from research an art even, not that you bought them from a person that sells spells, at any point if spells are sold they should only be from scrolls, where then if you are not associated with the Mages guild (now Synod and Whispers) then you memorize and incorporate that spell, rather than buying it from some store. and of course you can be *taught* the a spell or rather spell *effects* from other trainers, but ultimate what spells you have are what you concentrated and formed yourself.
I envisioned a spell making system were it was ACTIVE.

During spell making the player assumes a meditative stance and would muster a large portion of their Magicka and a concentrate it into a specific kind of Spell effect, the amount of magicka Mustered would be diminishing so a kind of trail and error or you'll have to know exactly what kind of spell you want to make before you make it approach would be needed. you couldn't do it on the fly, a form of concentration of focus would be needed to even start the process, meditating or being at rest and utilizing the magicka. quiet area's with no disturbances or unusually large amounts of residual magicka would be helpful.

be aware its most likely just spells and not spell effects as the aforementioned Contextual spell casting, lack of spell creation and only 85 spells for 6 schools gets undercut-ted significantly in what we can do.



Concentration- whether or not its densely packed / and if that affects a wide or limited area

Sustained or not - deciding whether or not its a flame thrower or a fire ball, an arc of lightning or a sustained flurry

Intensity - Frequency would control whether the effects lasts after the initial caste, such as setting things on fire, or effecting a persons mind after using a very powerful charm spell.

the more adept you are at spell making / being a mage/That School of Magicka the more effects you can utilize while making a spell and the less likely you are to backfire during the process spell effects are taught by their respective guild schools (each Chapter in Oblivion specialized in a school) or by Books/Scrolls.

You would be able to make spells beyond your scope, but it would be difficult and taxing to your character in making it and casting that spell. certain spells depending on how you made them would be difficult for you to caste at first, but with more use you become more proficient at using your spells. continuing on taxing the player certain perks could be available that allow you to reach into deeper pools of magicka where otherwise you would simply run out and notbe able to caste. and even further more casting spells frequently with little magicka would fatiuge your character from draining stamina, making focus harder, to draining your health.

You could still be taught spells from other mages or learn from scrolls bought at various stores as a way for the individuals not proficient in Magick to have access to such.


School of Alteration

The school of Alteration involves the manipulation of the physical world and its natural properties and shaping them to aid the mage

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Burden: Increases the weight of an object or all objects on an opponent. can be used to increase your standing power or keep an object out of an opponents use,powerful versions of this spell effect can infact crush an individual under their own weight, but don't expect the crush a rabbit without some ridiculous magicka lol, as inherent weight is just as important failure results in a higher than normal burdening possibly culminating in crushing of user or casted object, or lack there of.

Feather: Decreases the weight of an object or all objects on an opponent, can be used on self to lighten weight and move faster or jump higher in difficult situations, powerful versions of feather can infact give objects negetive weight (rofl) causing them to float, failure results in unstable field, unwarranted deactivation

Fire Shield: Evokes a Field/Sphere of FIRE around the user, effective at staving off localized frost hazards and attacks. can increase dmg done by fire attacks both incoming and out going, as well as potentially killing the user in hostile environments where heat/fire is in excess and inversely sustain the character in intense blizzards or cold environments and resist freezing, it also can damage enemies that choose to attack you directly and also will boil water sources or light the ground abalze can be nulled by Dispel if its higher then the casted shield as well as water sources or very powerful frost spells, failure results in burning, explosions, dud casts, and wild casts.

Frost Shield: Evokes a field/Sphere of ICE around the user, effective at staunching off Fire based attacks, Can increase dmg done by Frost based attacks both incoming and outgoing, can kill or dmg the user if used for too long in frost hazards IE Blizzards, like Fire shield frost shield has the opposite effect of keeping the player cool, putting out fires that continue to burn on the player and resist burning/high heat. can be nulled by Dispel if it is higher than the casted shield and or high powered fire damage spells, Failure results in frost damage or possibility of temporary freezing, dud casts and wild casts.

Open: magically opens a locked container or door. lower levels can unlock doors not sealed by magical means, Higher levels require dispel or great proficiency in open when used with telekinesis, doors can be opened at a distance, allowing the user to gain ground from a pursuer

Lock: magically Seals an open door or Container, when used with Telekinesis doors can be locked at a distance giving the user some reprieve from an extensive chase or lock their hapless victim from continuing to flee, it is different from physical lock in that the seal is reinforced by magicka and takes more than a key to open, however without local enchantment or certain perks, the magicka reinforcement will run out, leaving the lock level to remain. note a lock spell cannot increase the level of lock already on a door.

Shield: Creates a Magical Shield that universally protects the user, however it is impermeable and does not allow for magical attacks in or out the field, can be nulled by Dispel, little protection from environmental hazards. failure results in an unstable field, allowing objects/attacks to penetrate the field. perks are available to extend the natural caste time of this spell as well as add push back force to heavy blows incurred on the shield, when combined with Reflect damage you create a barrier with powerful kinetic force, when combined with Absorb damage you create a shield that gets stronger as its struck and gains resistances based on what strikes it up to a certain point.

Shock Shield: Creates a Sphere of Magical Electricity, able to damage opponents coming to close to the user, Shock based attacks are doubled going out but do not penetrate the field, does not protect against environmental hazards /fire/frost. failure results in an unstable field lashing out an anything in its reach and potentially damaging the user, dud casts, wild casts.

Water Breathing Aethereal Breath: allows the user to utilize Magical breath sustaining the user under area's low or devoid of Oxygen, can resist air/inhalation based poisons, failure invokes astral vapors disease, stamina loss or even asphyxiation.

Water Walking : allows the user to walk on water, lower levels restrict the user to *walking* higher levels give greater stabilization to allow running and even sprinting or extended combat over water. failure results in a lost of effect.


School of Conjuration

The school of Conjuration practices in the art of summoning magical items and beings from the outer realms to serve you, often this school of magick requires both hands be free for spell casting, increasing in level and certain perks allow for combat summoning. at higher tiers and advance studies in the arts, deadric summoning open up for the player. obviously there are significant dangers to summoning creatures especially those from the outer realms.

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Bound Armor and weapons: ability to prioritize a set of weapons/ Armor for instant equip and use during combat for mages that cannot use armor effectively. the Bound Objects are specialized for the mage to allow maximum magicka usage and mobility despite that armors type, is vulnerable to dispel and disintegrate but are more resistant. the armor can be fortified with additional magicka, Failure results in dispersion of the armor, greater levels of Bound weapons allows the user to summon unorthodox weapons and armors from the Deadric planes with the required teachings/perks.

Summon Ancestor Guardian: a Purely Dunmeri Ability, a Dunmer is able to call upon its ancestors for aid, Ancestor ghosts can aid in battle, provide council, possess enemies or buff the users with its blessings, the Ancestors are giving strength through offerings and reverence made at local Temple shrines. failure results in summoning the wrong Ancestor, potentially from another family, or no ancestors at all. Higher levels can evoke 2 more ancestors to aid the user.

Summon Animal - Spider lings, Bears, Wolves etc etc: depending on type of summoning a Pre-existing animal from a nearby location can be called to aid the user, otherwise a magical summoning is brought fourth which is more vulnerable to magick disrupting attacks, preexisting animals leave after their service has expired, and only familiars stick around to continue aid. various animals have different abilites and are helpful in a variety of ways. failure results in the summoning turning on you and or phasing out of existence in terms of magical based summonings

Summon lesser Deadra: understood as low caste Deadra, these include deadra of what mortals believe as limited intelligence deadra, Daedroths, Clanfears, Scamps etc etc, these Daedra are bound to the user when summoned, many are aware of the situation and will do as told, however unexperienced casters have found how smart these individuals can become, and bringing fourth to many can have dire consqeuncess if you don not posses the required skills/knowlegde.

Summon Dremora: summoning Dremoras is a risky business, and often are possible through preexisting pacts with a particular Dremora or common summoning speech used to bring
one forth, while lower tier Soldier Dremora are common but no less risky to call fourth, Dremora Lords are a whole other animal and are best done by highly skilled practitioners with a clear goal of what they want the Dremora lord to do, otherwise the Lord will show little hesitance to strike at anything in range if left at its own devices.

Summon Atronach: Atronach's are similar to Dremoras in the risks involved when summoning them, they are often silent, and obedient, which makes them fairly deadly as they are not as predictable as the Dremora Counterparts, each Antronoch form has a different cognitive type. as with all Daedra a modicum of caution a preparedness is essential for survival.

Summon Undead: encompassing ghosts, wraiths, skeletons, zombies, Summoning Undead can be done on the fly with a weaker magically summoned variant, or one from a disturbed area were souls roam, by using summon undead and culminate of appropriate assemblage of bones and weapons, flesh and cloth, or a spirit will come to your aid, Failure of such results in either a dude casting, or another opponent to clash blades with. (or run from)

Turn Undead: Lesser instances of this spell effect will send undead creatures fleeing from your sight, greater instances burning them and banishing them from their corporeal forms. failure results in..failure and a mad spirit.



School of Destruction

The school of destruction utilizes the more arcane and detrimental aspects of magicka to bring to bare against both living and undead things. lacking training in this school can incur recoil damage from spells beyond the casters ability, it is the most intense in magicka usage and can wear down a novice caster fairly quickly. most spell failures include a fizz out of sorts for botched casts, it is also one of the more risky schools to delve into when making your own spell, potentially setting the area around you on fire.

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Damage Attribute/Health/Magical/Stamina: this is a purely magical effects handy-capping its related target, where its applying unseen damage to a targets health, breaking their Magicka, or Stamina a target without the appropriate defense will find themselves falling really fast, Single caste Damage spells take a significant amount of Magicka use and more often harm other effects in addition to their intended targets but to a lesser degree, while temporary damage takes less, and is well...temporary. is extraordinarily useful with other destruction based attacks or those used in succession with debuffing spells. this effect is not pleasant for the victim and is not harmless like absorb.

Disintegrate Armor/Weapons / Area: does as it says, this Spell degrades armor, weapons, barrier doors, anything inanimate is subject to this spell effect, when used in conjunction with destruction spells, that particular effect is enhance, and can chip away defenses vulnerable to its type, like a disintegrating fireball on a barrier, however because of its purely magical nature residual effects like frost, burn and frost only last the duration of the entire spell, failure results in a wild cast or destruction of personal equipment. resisted naturally by enchanted weapons/armor.

Absorb(Restoration)/Drain: works similar to Damage, but the damage is done overtime consistently, Drain inherently is not instant but can be made to draing at faster intervals, in its use the users magicka pool is reduced, however the effects can easily turn the tide of battle and are useful for items to gain a charge, store it , and apply to yourself on an enchanted object. failure results in a dud caste, or polarized Drain/Absorb. this effect is also harmful unlike absorb.

Fire Damage: Produces the Magical elemental version of Fire, as potent and just as dangerous, magical fire remains as long as its duration/power of the spell, with some naturally heat produced flares remaining behind, Fire damage can be focused into a stream, a volatile ball, or an explosive bolt. touch based fire damage can be utilized in strikes or grabs, burning the area of choice and potentially instantly killing depending on the area. failure results in a dud caste or fire damage.

Frost Damage: similar to Fire Damage can freeze on contact, used on the ground can create a slippery area for opponents, will naturally evaporate after its duration is over, it also slows enemies down and reduces their attack strength, when used against armor its effectiveness reduces considerably and is prone to break from powerful strikes if used in conjuction with fire damage it can actually make low teir armor brittle and shatter.

Shock Damage: ditto can be used on bodies of water for an even greater effect on enemies occupying that area. greater instances can arc and leap among multiple targets, higher intensity shock attacks can stun enemies and like frost, and fire damange damage armor.

Weakness to: reduces resistances, when used on buff stats and spells like fortify and shield it can actually counter and break the defences, weakness spells used in conjuction with drain can sufficiently stop a foe in its tracks and keep it out of the fight while you deal with other enemies, spell failure will result on the cast on self of raw magicka with random effects



School of Illusion

The School of Illusion can both effect the minds and perceptions of other living subjects as well as in higher tiers the mental domination of mundane and magical creatures and individuals. if you aren't careful, your own spells can backfire and compromise your own perceptions as well and even incur hallucinations, and being the mind such a powerful thing, your own magicka can manifest into a real personal threat...

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Calm: the user wipes the mind of his/her attacker and evokes a sense of disinterest, the effect is increased when utilized with chameleon or invisibility literally forcing the target to forget you were their long enough for you to disappear. greater levels are required for high INT individuals or excessively aggressive animals. Failure results in a dud spell. higher levels can extend the effect beyond the victim, suddenly becoming disinterested in their current tasks, Zoning out, laxness, or even sleep when combined with Drain fatigue and Drain Stamina

Chameleon: makes the user into a silhouette(Sp) of sorts, you are still able to do actions such as attack and pick items up, but such will allow your opponents to focus on you more, the greater distance between you and a target, the less chameleon you require to sustain, opponents with abilities like Detect life or being hit by marking attacks such as spider webs, or projectile vomit will paint you out despite the Chameleon. some animals have a greater degree of senses and can locate you. failure results in partial chameleon casts or dud cast.

Charm: Charm Hijacks your targets mental processes and lulls them into having a greater degree of being persuaded, Animals are drawn to protect you and people are placed into a sense of ease around you, high INT can negate this effect and animals with higher senses /smell/sight etc etc can shake themselves out of the effect. Higher levels of Charm can have undetermined effects on the victim, including near insanity, incoherent babbling, etc etc.

Command : the greater cousin of Calm, Command Hijacks the victims cognition and forces them into service for you, some higher INT opponents may be well aware that they are under your control unwillingly and will generally try to resist, too strong of a Command can completely stupefy its intended victim leaving you with a useless husk, like Charm, permanent Casted Commands take more magicka and are prone to resistance while durations are cheaper and gradual, allowing for greater control.

Demoralize: Scaring your opponents bowels clean, this spell effect evokes an irrational sense of fear or hesitation in your opponents, where lesser creatures require little Magicka for use, Greater opponents like Dremora are nearly impossible to scare witless, Demoralize may not always work as intended as some animals and people as well will flail against their fears, putting a overly confident user into a blind flail in an effort to protect themselves. the effect is increased when used on Weapons, armor or even another individual. failures include dud casting or simply pissing off the intended victim even further.

Frenzy: Invoking an overwhelming sense of rage into your opponent, this is an excellent alternative to taunting, due to some opponents being resistant to taunting and some animals (they don't know you are taunting them) it can be used to force an enemy to expend more energy, and lose focus making them slip up, make mistakes, or not notices things (like the Fire trap I just layed on the floor) animals also lose touch and focus with their senses allowing you to sidestep them and evade them easily, or plain just tire them out and put them out of their misery, like most spells, Duration, touch and or short range spells take less magicka than do range spells, making spell such as a light fire damage spell and a frenzy can cause nearby enemies to lose moral at seeing a flaming raging beast of a man/animal. failure includes a dud spell or in a perfect world, your character getting pissed and going on a killing spree out of your control(jk)

Invisibility: this spell effect phases out the user, they are still tangible but not observable in the physical world the effect persists so long as no extensive action is taken interacting with objects outside the players field will disrupt the spell, although undead/ghosts/spirits can still see the user, most other enemies not using spells like detect life cannot see the player but can hear them, unlike chameleon invisibility's optimal range is all whether close or far, but factors like projectile markers (vomit/spit/webs) can signal out the player, animals with heightened senses can also detect where the players general area is, but cannot focus on them, ranged attacks also generally miss. like other spells Invisibility can be used on objects to conceal them from thieves, or their seekers, but because of the magical endowment can be detected by Detect enchanted objects spell. failure includes dud casting (example casting invisibility and levitation instills near total nullification of being detected by physical means...as long as you don't bump into a chandelier, doing so could spook unaware npc's in their homes, and can cause them to react in a number of ways.)

Light: Illuminates the area via light Orb or object that the spell is applied to (rings, swords, Shields, clothing) the spell
persists under duration or as long as magicka is feed into it from the enchanted item or player, Light can be intensified to stave off light sensitive creatures/abominations, it can also be combined like other spells into forms like fire damage combined with light gives Solar burst, an intense daylight effect useful for keeping vampires at bay(those sensitive to light anyway), you cannot sneak while illuminated unless you cancel the spell or pocket/drain your items with Drain Magicka.

Blind: Obscures the Vision of the victim, often causes a slight demoralization for eye reliant enemies, has no effect on *blind* targets such as blind moths or those with high perception, negates the use of vision enhancing effects like night eye , detect life, detect magicka. when used with Light, it literally becomes blinding light, obscuring the foes vision in the appropriate intensity of the spell, enemies afflicted lose all focus on the player and will generally flail about, those with higher INT, Levels or well trained will at times calm down to better improve their chances of striking the player, sound plays a huge role at this point and taunting oh throwing objects can sway the enemy, to prevent the enemies recollection its best use in conjunction with frenzy or demoralize. spell failure includes Cast Dud.

Night-Eye: a spell effect used to mimic Khajiit's natural ability to navigate the darkness with little trouble, such requires a steady flow of magicka or relevant enchanted items equipped, it comes in intensities from low light illuminations to complete near daylight like hues, however the spell effect Light as well as other light sources can disorient the user or anyone using night eye. failure results in *blind* spell effect.

Paralyze: this spell/effect can range from making movement extremely difficult (coupled with burden) to nigh impossible applicable by poisons, Inhalation, injection. this effect as a myriad of transmissions, it can reduce the effectiveness of a combatant in battle, inhibits mages from hand castes, and make them vulnerable to attack, combined with Frost, it could indefinentlyindefinitely entomb and kill an opponent, or burn them alive for the more sadistic practitioners. failure includes dud caste of paralyze on self.

Rally: The opposite of Demoralize, Rally can invoke an overwhelming sense of bravado and courage into its target, at higher levels such can become near zealous or suicidal Higher INT *enemies* may notice something is wrong but they are compelled to carry out their fearlessness onto the duration of the spell unless they are able to resist and shrug off the spell, when used with Charm or command they are more susceptible to Rally, Rally does not substitute for a true leader however, who is able to invoke true bravery and zeal, but the spell is an excellent alternative to those with low speech craft and charisma. one thoughtful way to employ this spell is to caste it on a sword, with an area effect and caste on activation not hit (or you'll be making your enemies more willing to kill you) then brandish your sword in a rally call and the effect will boost their moral. failures include dud casting

Silence: Does exactly what it says, it prevents vocal castings and doubles the length of time it takes for castes that require vocal and movement casting, it also prevents foes from calling for help or rallying others to their position, if they die during the silence caste, they will generally make no sound depending on the intensity for some opponents this can reduce moral in combat. casting silence on an NPC will not enable them to talk, where it would be a decent show of superiority to your perceived lesser, casting it on an citizen is generally a crime and not well received. Failure includes back fire silence, one inventive way to utilize silence is in combination with paralysis leaving the individual fully aware but helpless as you pilfer their store, blind is also useful as long as they did not observe you prior, thus forgoing having your image posted all over town.

Sound: apart of the casting inhibiting spells, Sound creates a thought scattering noise on the victim, disabling thought evoked spells (spells casted by recalling them or remembering them) much of the enemies or players spell repertoire is disabled for the spells duration, and combined with the other spells of its kind can be quite potent, in addition sound combined with a fire ball can have a demoralizing effect on lesser creatures and enemies. spell failing includes self infliction of sound, and *shell shock* type of effect.


School of Mysticism I know its gone

Mysticism involves the manipulation of magical forces and boundaries to bypass the structures and limitations of the physical world

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Detect Life : Allows the user to see living things through solid objects. whether they are cloaked by darkness or Magic, so long as they have life, they will glow. failure includes spell dud caste.

Dispel: depending on the casters proficiency, this spell can severely weaken or utterly abolish any Magicka based spell present on an object, from falling shields, wiping away buffs, and Enchanted weapons (effective when used with Drain can completely remove the enchantments) Dispel is essentially voiding Magicka from an object or area. failures include spell dud caste.

Absorption/Reflect Damage/Spells are inherent in magicka Shield, certain birth signs and combination of certain perks as well.

Soul Trap: makes the smallest applicable soul gem active for the target in question as to which it will encase that living targets soul upon death. spell failure includes spell dud caste or soul escaping based on its strength

Telekinesis: you to pick up an item or individual from a distance based on strength of the spell. from there you can bring them to you and send them flying at another target, higher levels allow for multiple/heavier objects to be utilized as either shields or projectile weapons, even as building blocks to access other areas. spell failures include dud cast, uncontrolled telekinetic throws, application on self and aforementioned Throws, or wild cast.


School of Restoration
The school of Restoration utilizes magicka to Fortify, Restore and absorb the caster in question, most spell failures include a simple spell dud, nothing too detrimental.
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Absorb: from Magicka to health, attributes and skills Absorb allows to user to gain strength from other individuals/Objects for a temporary boost, the effect is not harmful and is somewhat symbiotic like drain, where the victim / source ceases so are the gains, like drain spell effect failures include polarization of the stream, this spell is useful for absorbing magical items or friendlies with strength to spare.

Cure Disease/Poison/Paralysis: this spell effect reduces or removes the effects of their appropriate relations, Reduced spell effects are able to comeback in intensity for low cost duration cures while removing them completely or reducing them completely takes more Magicka, Failures include dud spell cast.

Fortify: Like Absorb, Fortify gives a substantial boost to the user wherever the deem relevant, the spell is dependent on the amount of Magica available to the cast, because both temporary and permanent fortify are based from magick, their effects can be nulled by dispel and or damage/drain magicka. the spell draws from the amount of magicka applied to it for a duration, or drains on the fly until the duration ends or you run out of magicka, its in fact a buffer so even losing health beyond the amount you had already wont necessarily kill you out right, and instead from your magicka pool or fortify spell

Resist: resist nullifies detrimental effects pertaining to their caste type (shock, fire, frost,etc etc) as with all the other spell effects in Restoration it can be permanent or duration and can be nulled by Dispel, spell failures include spell dud.

Restore: Returns attributes/health/Stamina back to normal, if used while under duress from a drain/damage effect the spell will be continuous naively until the opposing effect cease, duration ends, or magicka supply runs out. spell failures include spell dud.



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This is just my general post. I usually place it to see if anyone likes it, its entirely workable from my point of view to get even as a Mod.
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Bellismydesi
 
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:00 pm

How about instead of spells getting more powerful as you level up there would be a slider in the magic menu where you determine how much magicka you want to use in any specific spell. So you could could put a moderate amount of magicka into a fireball and have that as your base magic attack or you could choose to pour everything you got into one massive fireball without having them be separate spells. With other noncombat spells this could determine the amplitude of the effect, this way your spell's power is basically based on how much total magicka your dealing with.

Using a system like that you don't end up with the basic spells that are pointless at higher levels. Anyway I agree almost anything would be better than buying spells directly from a vender.

I don't know if i would want that to be the primary spell set-up, but definitely would be a good thing for certain higher level spells. also...i see you have unlocked the third eye. :intergalactic:
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:50 am

@MK - you have some excellent ideas in there, thanks for re-posting

you already have charging spells with two Hands...I'll just spam that animation, see what scripts we can get going and based on the spell combination BOOM, you remember it, and its in your spell book.


are you proposing that you then could equip that spell and continue to make new combos based on combos?
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:01 pm

@MK - you have some excellent ideas in there, thanks for re-posting



are you proposing that you then could equip that spell and continue to make new combos based on combos?



Yes, notice the example provided contains no menus, not tick boxes, no numbers, just variables types and inherent features of each Spell effect

You make one combo, you remember it internalize it and move on to the next. I've not put thought in limitations on how many Combos you can make, but I rather anything along those lines instead of trying to cast 5 spells one by one to get my desired effect.
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:20 pm

You make one combo, you remember it internalize it and move on to the next. I've not put thought in limitations on how many Combos you can make, but I rather anything along those lines instead of trying to cast 5 spells one by one to get my desired effect.


do you envision this new combo spell containing the same effects and same total damage as the two other spells combined? For example, you could make a combo spell containing Fire 10 dmg, Frost 10 dmg, Shock 10 dmg, Nature 10dmg, etc., resulting in a spell that is 5x more powerful, and keep combining them ad infinitum.

Something else to consider for such a mod would be however the perks work with the spell effects. For example, do you learn the different delivery methods (how to wield fire "like a flamethrower," like a rune on the ground, like an exploding bomb, etc.) from perks or are these all separate spells that you get from merchants or spell tomes?
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Post » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:14 pm

I don't know how spell damage is handled in Skyrim so I can't say and since so many are aversed to having anything remotely spreadsheety, I avoided the thought

as for Perks I did not comb those over because I do not know how modable perks will be purely since they have a seperate UI, Graphic interface and selection method.

but now that you mention it yes Perks should add new "dynamics" to how spells are casted -however- once again I do not know how Skyrim is handling delievery methods, see I dont know if players from the get go can us all delievery methods based on cast context, does holding the cast button make a charge? or make a flame thrower, are both different spells?

what little I have on the thought of Perks are to make things easier for the caster or give greater bonuses, for example I desired a faituge system so to speak for extended use of spells, using spells beyond your level or heavy use of spells would tire the caster, there would be Perks that allow you to dig into deeper reserves of Magicka but could kill you or perks that allow you to cast spells for an extended amount of time without loss of effectiveness

as for Acquistion, no at no point for my thoughts anyway do I wish mages to "buy" spells Fighters and thieves less inclined can get scrolls sure, but for mages, your taught special from other Mages, a Fire ball for example would be a... common spell a concept known by most that a Mage would know but its effectiveness and use depends on the mage in question.
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