The last major town has to be Winterhold, right? It's the only place off the map.

Winterhold is on the map, and is in small writing, so I'm guessing they're sticking with it being just a fortress.

I have to agree with you, I thought the lore (from the book?) was that Skyrim had conquered several cities in eastern High Rock and Hammerfell. I would have been interested in seeing how they interpret Jehanna, where you start Arena, these days.

has anyone seen orsinium ? it should be easily seen on the map

Thats in High Rock.

It's been asked, but I haven't seen an answer: where was it ever stated that Skyrim would be bigger than Oblivion?

I've heard that the cities will be open has the dragons might attack in the story line. So maybe its smaller then Oblivion but alot more detailed.

There is nothing saying there are NO Dwemer ruins in Skyrim, but I doubt they will redo the Dwemer. Ancient Elven sites in general tend to have long complicated and unpronounceable names. For all we know these are Falmer ruins, old Velothi ruins, Daedric ruins or something else entirely.

ahh tks had it placed wrong thought i remembered as being in skyrim

Cyrodiil was supposed to be a rainforest.
http://www.etravelphotos.com/photos/2006bc/2006bc-0601-008-w.jpg is a rainforest



You start Arena in different locations based on race choice.

Eh, its alright. I probably would have forgotten that fact myself had it not been for obsessively playing Daggerfall all these years.

It was wondered about in the other thread, and I'm still damn curious. :unsure: Think it could be Jsashe ? She's supposed to be the Witch Queen of Whiterun. Sure would love hear talked about her, or her kind.

The fact that it states "Supreme Falmer" puzzles and beguiles me. Maybe there could be one last Falmer left in Nirn. Maybe I'm just getting my hopes up to high.

I want all of the cities... You can't just simply move or erase a city, now can you?

I want to visit Bruma and the eternal flames of the mages guild, too

Looking at a close-up of the map, I can see that Dawnstar is named, in small writing. That means Winterhold is the only city whose name can be on the map in large writing (and no, the Winterhold in small writing isn't referring to the city, it's referring to the surrounding region, which is also called Winterhold). So it looks Winterhold is the fifth major city.

The information compilation thread also helpfully identified the southwestern region around Falkreath as "Falkreath Hold"

Since 4 of the 5 "massive" cities are marked on the map with visible city borders I'm going with the "unfinished map theory"...
As the almighty Todd himself stated this map is used to keep visual track of [the development of the game] where they are in the production.
The fifth city has not yet been fully designed and implemented on the map.

* Note that even tho the map is blurry on the northern parts it's as north as it gets we would be able to se Winter Hold's or Dawnstar's borders.

edit#1: i don't want to assume anything, actually.. because i'm probably wrong... hahahah

Falmer? Like snow elves?

Sounds intersting.

Additional map breakdown stuff.

According to the Pocket Guide to the Empire, Skyrim is traditionally divided into nine "Holds." Of these, the Guide only identifies five: Eastmarch, Winterhold, Rift, The Pale, and The Reach.

The northern and eastern holds (the Guide calls them as "northern and western," but this doesn't match up with the actual geography and is probably a typo) are collectively known as the Old Holds. The Old Holds are dominated by Nords, are the bastions of Nord traditions, and are ruled by hereditary aristocracy. The Old Holds are as follows:

- Eastmarch. On the Skyrim map, Eastmarch is in the central east of Skyrim and is described as "Volcanic tundra." Its only important city is Windhelm.
- Winterhold. On the Skyrim map, Winterhold consists of the northern coast. There are two important cities in Winterhold: its capital, the city of Winterhold, and the city of Dawnstar.
- Rift: On the Skyrim map, Rift consists of the southeast of Skyrim, and is described as "Fall Forest." Its only important city is Riften.
- The Pale: On the Skyrim map, The Pale is a valley in central Skyrim, and is described as "Snow." It doesn't seem to have any large settlements.

The remaining holds are apparently more Empire-friendly, and are governed by elected councils called Moots. So far, I've only been able to identify two of these on the map:

- The Reach: On the Skyrim map, The Reach is in the far west. The Guide describes it as consisting of "canyons and mesas." It is apparently the most cosmopolitan hold. It doesn't seem to have any large settlements.
- Falkreath Hold: On the Skyrim map, Falkreath Hold is in the southwest. It presumably contains the city of Falkreath.

It looks like the three remaining Holds consist of the plains in central Skyrim, containing Whiterun and Markarth Side, the small area between the central mountains and the river delta, and the northwest corner around Solitude, but I can't make out their names or descriptions.

I thought the Pale was supposed to be in the Southeastern region, adjacent to Bruma. Remember Pale Pass?

I actually was under that impression as well. In fact, older maps depict it as being like that.

Yeah, I mean, 200 years HAVE passed, so maybe opportunistic Nords might've seized Imperial holdings and expanded their borders?

I can't find any older maps with the Pale marked on them at all. It seems more likely both places are just pale.

Looking closer at the map, I'm pretty sure the large central hold containing Whiterun is also called Whiterun, and it's described as a tundra. It's difficult to make out exactly, but it seems to be the only explanation that makes sense.

It was actualy previsible that the border of skyrims would not change because in some quest in oblivion they were saying that it was hard to keep a territory past the natural borders that surround skyrims because it would be hard to keep communication. on the other hand it also acts as a defence because its hard to attack through the mountains. skyrim borders are the less likely to move in any circumstances

What location is at the most north western area where its blue on the map?