Skyrim map discussion

Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:23 pm

So here's the map of Skyrim, taken from the GI video: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1372/skyrimmap.jpg
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2858/skyrimmap.png

Map Edits/Speculation:
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3503/maplabels.png (Courtesy of Luke Skyrimmer)
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6964/skyrimmaponwallxxx.jpg (Courtesy of Davis Salvel)

And here's a link to the other official maps of skyrim: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-maps

Concerning the Holds of Skyrim (courtesy of Arilias):
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According to the Pocket Guide to the Empire, Skyrim is traditionally divided into nine "Holds." Of these, the Guide only identifies five: Eastmarch, Winterhold, Rift, The Pale, and The Reach.

The northern and eastern holds (the Guide calls them as "northern and western," but this doesn't match up with the actual geography and is probably a typo) are collectively known as the Old Holds. The Old Holds are dominated by Nords, are the bastions of Nord traditions, and are ruled by hereditary aristocracy. The Old Holds are as follows:

- Eastmarch. On the Skyrim map, Eastmarch is in the central east of Skyrim and is described as "Volcanic tundra." Its only important city is Windhelm.
- Winterhold. On the Skyrim map, Winterhold consists of the northern coast. There are two important cities in Winterhold: its capital, the city of Winterhold, and the city of Dawnstar.
- Rift: On the Skyrim map, Rift consists of the southeast of Skyrim, and is described as "Fall Forest." Its only important city is Riften.
- The Pale: On the Skyrim map, The Pale is a valley in central Skyrim, and is described as "Snow." It doesn't seem to have any large settlements.

The remaining holds are apparently more Empire-friendly, and are governed by elected councils called Moots. So far, I've only been able to identify two of these on the map:

- The Reach: On the Skyrim map, The Reach is in the far west. The Guide describes it as consisting of "canyons and mesas." It is apparently the most cosmopolitan hold. It doesn't seem to have any large settlements.
- Falkreath Hold: On the Skyrim map, Falkreath Hold is in the southwest. It presumably contains the city of Falkreath.

It looks like the three remaining Holds consist of the plains in central Skyrim, containing Whiterun and Markarth Side, the small area between the central mountains and the river delta, and the northwest corner around Solitude, but I can't make out their names or descriptions.


My thoughts on scale:
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From my estimate the Y value of the cells seems to be about 70, going from how little is missing from what we can see, and the X value is anybody's guess but I'd say it's probably around 100 or so.

In comparison, Oblivion's cell counts are:

X: 133
Y: 88

So the cell count is probably around the same as Oblivion or slightly less. However, if those cities were in Oblivion with the cell counts shown in the map, they'd be tiny - Windhelm would have even fewer cells than Bravil. Since the Game Informer article stated that there were huge cities in the game, I'm going to make the assumption that the actual size of each individual cell has increased. I don't know by how much but it's probably safe to assume the cells are at least a third bigger than in oblivion, meaning the Skyrim will be probably be around a third larger than Cyrodiil.

This is all speculation, with very little evidence to go off of, but it's my best guess right now.

It has also been pointed out that there is a lot less "filler" heightmap this time around as Skyrim is a more perfect square than Cyrodiil was.

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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:56 pm

Darn
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:33 pm

I could see Whiterun, Riften and Windhelm. They're all fairly major settlements I believe, but I doubt that all the cities are in the bottom right third of the map. Hopefully that means we'll be seeing medium sized towns or villages as well.

Edit: that map size isn't great, especially if the draw distance is significantly improved.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:08 pm

The less distorted version.
Here: http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2858/skyrimmap.png
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Post » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:37 am

It also appears that Solitude, Windhelm, Whiterun, and Riften might be 4 of the 5 major cities.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:14 pm

The gray blocks appear to be cities too.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:12 am

Solitude, Windhelm, Whiterun, and Riften seem to definitely be major cities. The other is likely either Dawnstar or Winterhold, but we can't see because their labels are off camera.

Whiterun has moved and is now west of High Hrothgar rather than east.

There are a number of geographical regions labeled. Eastmarch and Rift are the two in eastern Skyrim, described as "volcanic tundra" and "fall forest," respectively. A third seems to be named "The Pale," but it's difficult to make out.

There are a lot of rivers.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:25 pm

I have no problem with the game world size being smaller than Oblivion as long as it's more detailed and more densely populated.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:05 pm

The less distorted version.
Here: http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/2858/skyrimmap.png

Winterhold at the top right there, Whiterun in the centre... I'm guessing that that's Solitude directly north of the river estuaries in the top left.

Also... volcanic tundra in the east there, on the Morrowind border? Will we see some Morrowind-esque landscape? Looking good.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:06 am

They have already stated that the game is larger than Oblivion or Morrowind.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:45 pm

You can see winterhold on this one, but it appears to be a small city or a fortress, not one of the large cities.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3843352/Skyrim%20Map%20on%20Wall.jpg
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:13 pm

You can see winterhold on this one, but it appears to be a small city or a fortress, not one of the large cities.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3843352/Skyrim%20Map%20on%20Wall.jpg

That one shows Solitude much clearer in the top right. You're right though, Winterhold doesn't look huge.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:25 pm

It seems like Winterhold is actually a region, rather than a city.
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Post » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:13 am

Where it says "The greater", to the left it says: "Joel Reshape" with "Divine Birth" under it.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:31 am

They have already stated that the game is larger than Oblivion or Morrowind.


If that is the case than the whole scale of the map looks off to me. Then again it might just be because we are looking a an angled view of the map instead of just straight on.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:53 am

It seems like Winterhold is actually a region, rather than a city.


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Winterhold :shrug:

Cyrodiil was also meant to be a jungle before we actually got there though so I guess they can do whatever they like.

Did you guys hear? Skyrim is the tropical Tamriel region now!
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:55 pm

If that is the case than the whole scale of the map looks off to me. Then again it might just be because we are looking a an angled view of the map instead of just straight on.


Even though the map may be smaller, the scale of the world can be completely different. The OP presents a really poor way of predicting world size. Also you would have to be crazy to think they are still working with cells.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:08 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Winterhold :shrug:

Cyrodiil was also meant to be a jungle before we actually got there though so I guess they can do whatever they like.

Did you guys hear? Skyrim is the tropical Tamriel region now!


"capital of the namesake county"

So I guess it's both a region and a city in the region (we can't see the name of the northeastern city)

Also I figured they changed Cyrodiil because a jungle immediately adjacent to a taiga is Eragon-quality geography.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:07 pm

I think it was said that the time frame of the game is 200 years after Oblivion. Alot of land changes can be made during 200 years. I'm still expecting the climate to be the same or similar but the cities and regions can change in that time frame.

Who knows mabe the dreaded "GW" word that is forbidden here was happening even then? :biggrin:
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:45 pm

I see Labyrinth, to the west of the Pale, in the mountains north of Whiterun.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:37 am

Possible.

Of the two towns between Riften and Windhelm, the southern town is named Something Crossing. The north looks like it had an Elven name of some kind. Xynegratel? It's hard to tell. Possibly Dunmer refugees.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:37 pm

I want them to make copies and hand it out with the Collector's edition O=
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 4:57 pm

If that is the case than the whole scale of the map looks off to me. Then again it might just be because we are looking a an angled view of the map instead of just straight on.

The scale is different for all games.

For example, the according to the maps, the gameworld in TES2: Daggerfall is smaller than the gameworld in TES4: Oblivion, but that's really not the case as Daggerfall is many times larger than Oblivion.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:11 pm

All of those yellow squares...I'm trying to make them out, but from the blurry names they sound like Dwemer ruin names. I could have my lore all messed up though.
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Post » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:14 pm

Xynegrate
Kynesgrove?
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