This.
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No surprise there, the Mother's Head alone is enough to get the rating, I certainly would not want my kids to see something like that story...

YAY I'm glad to see the perversion of culture hasn't gotten to you! :goodjob:

After the sucess they've had with Fallout with all its mature violent glory, I don't see why theyd be afraid to hold back anymore.

I never realized that, as I know my game has "T" on the box since I bought it day 1.

@Phoss

I agree, the rating system is totally useless and laughable. It should be up to the parents to decide, not some industry or government organization. Really though, the rating system means nothing. A kid is going to get someone older to buy the game and still play it no matter what the rating is.

Yeah. I've only poisoned 2 people ffs.

A kid today will have the game downloaded from somewhere before we even have a chance to buy it. And inflating games to something 'illegal' by branding them inappropriate for certain ages, just makes it even more interesting for kids to play those games behind their unknowing parents' backs. Decriminalize the whole thing by eliminating censorship, and the kids will figure out the rest, hopefully in cooperation with their parents, who are now all of the sudden responsible for their own kids. OMG the horror!

Why do so many people wnat six in a videogame? Go out and get yourselves a freakin' girlfriend if you want six and stop ruining videogames for younger players!! :slap:

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I agree though...I'm not expecting a The Witcher kind of maturity for example but I'm expecting something between that and OB and I'm happy with that, TES shouldn't be as dark as The Witcher no matter what province we're in.

The purpose of the rating system is not to prevent kids from playing it, but to prevent them from doing it without their parents knowing It is a short information for the parent about the content of the games, so they can make a decision of whether or not to allow they child to play the game without playing it first themselves form start to finish - something most of the parent who do not play game on their own are unlikely to do. So some other advlt plays it first, notes the "points of parental concern" and marks them on the box, as simple as that. A parent can ignore it if he likes and buy a game for a kid, it's not illegal for them to play mature games if the parent thinks the child is ready. But it prevents the kids form buying the game that their parents don't even want them to see and spinning a tale about it all being rosy clouds and fuzzy bunnies.
So no I don't see any problem with ratings as long as they are the way they are now.

If younger players who are capable of playing a relatively complicated game like TES don't already know about six, I think their parents should probably take this chance to sit down and have that good old talk about the birds and the bees. And of course also make sure that their kids don't watch movies, tv, read magazines or in general get out in the real world.

finishing moves = gore

gore = mature

the end

I'm so happy

I hope it's MA, I wouldn't care if it's T rated but a T rating level holds you back as to what you can add into a game.

Ahem. I played fall out, in spite of the gore. In fact I hated it almost enough to make me break the game. Also I only spent about 20 hrs on it, as opposed to oblivion which I spent countless. I most definitely do not want to see the gore from fallout transfer to TESV.

nobody said this and it is not allowed in video games in america and we try not to even talk about this on the posts as it will get it shut down so no more posts like this pls they are not the slightest amusing !

If they add anything more advlt it's probably going to be Language and possibly more violence. I doubt that BGS will add anything more then that I mean look at what they did with Nova in Fallout 3.

It's not just young kids that shouldn't be seeing "six" in the game. Many people have strong moral objections to it, the same with the over-board gore. When you add gore you add realism, when you add realism you desensitize, when you desensitize to killing people with realism you make killing people not seem wrong. Learn human psychology. I have strong moral objections to such things. There is good realism and bad realism. I could go on about how "six" also desensitize people, which leads to the "Objectification" of people in general, but I want to assume most people have a high enough degree of intelligence to understand this.

I think you missed my point. I know how the rating system works and what it's for.

As soon as game developers are forced to put these ratings on their games, they involuntarily also design and develop the games to fit in a certain bracket to allow a certain age group, i.e. to sell more games, and consequently also limit the content of the game. Cause concerned parents won't buy games rated M for their kids, and they certainly aren't going to sit down and find out what's in that game that makes it so horrible. They're pretty much just gonna say 'no' to their kids as someone else has already been nice enough to make that informed decision for them.

Which then limits it for everybody else as well. It's not like Bethesda makes two versions of the game, one for the younger players, and one for the advlts.

Why cant we have both complexity and brutal violence? I cant have sophisticated tastes which include brutal combat and political intrigue? When I have to do combat I expect my opponent to do more then yell and fall down!! No game has handled six correctly ever. Its either too over the top or just handled badly. If they touch up on the subject of "six" I hope they do it with some subtlety.(no clothed embraces with robotic motions or two characters throwing [censored] off the table to "get it on")

What is extreme six? in videogame context i mean. I hear this again and again. Why is this a concern? Seriously, has anyone EVER encountered anything in a game which could be descripted as that? because i sure as hell haven't. Maybe i am just playing the wrong kind of games but i have never seen anything worse than you would find in a decent movie though i don't remember having ever heard anyone complain about that.

I have never seen anything worse than the love scene in Heavy Rain. And i actually liked it. Very strong and emotional for a game i think. There is so many movies where it is much more graphical but no one ever lift as much as an eyebrow because it's a movie and not a game. All the hysteria over Mass Effect is a good example. Seriously, i played the game, Titanic is naughtier than Mass Effect.

You mean like swearing? Cause that would be really dumb.

They could input a 'content' filter which turns down the gore, but beyond that? No not really. If the game is going to get an M rating anyway, then they should make the game the way they want to make it.


No matter how awesome the story [and I do hope it's complex and awesome], if I'm playing a game where I am chopping at somebody with a sword, they aren't just going to 'urk' and die as though from natural causes. It's an immersion breaker.

Same with six. six exists. It doesn't have to be forefront, but a mention here and there would be nice. Avoiding any and all allusions to it is also an immersion breaker.

Also. Toilets.

I could never figure out why the Imperial City in Oblivion had all those expansive sewers and no toilets, bathtubs, or sinks. O.o


But regardless of the actual subject, six, violence, or bodily functions, it bears a similar motif. It exists. Avoiding it entirely just seems odd.


Edit: I really can't type today, can I?

There are two points that you need to remember:
1. In our days one out of five children has minor mental disorders and reconquers professional help and correction in order to not to end up either in prison, asylum or blowing his brains out later in live. While a healthy child can be exposed to all the mature content you want and will deal with it brilliantly the parents of thous who have issues need warning. Let's just say that thous children are not always good at telling games form reality and good form bad, and need their hand held and things explained to them quite a bit more than a normal child. And even thou they have difficulties they want to play games like any other kid, so their parents need at last some kind of warning. It is not about the game developers, for them it's a question of money, for the families with difficulties it's a question of normal happy live, if the rating can help prevent even one indecent it will be wholly worse any money lost in the process.
Perhaps some better explanation to the general public about the ratings are in order thou, people tend to either disregard them or treat them as a law, not informative function they are supposed to be.
2. Culture. In America people will rather let their children see a severed head than a passionate kiss, while for example in my home country it's exactly the other way around. I'd easily allow a 13 years old to see a full nudity and tastefully done six scene, but not half rotten head and a man with "mother" issues of Freudian scale. The Dark Brotherhood is an organization every member of witch without question would have gotten a death penalty in most countries of the world, just submitting a contract to them requires human sacrifice if you read in game leaflets, and the player is not even reprimanded for the whole line, it's treated like it's something normal... So the game is correctly rated 15+ here, and I would not want someone younger (11-14 years) who deals with her or his own identity crisis and relays on games as a means to learn about the world (and at that age all children do, it's the natural mechanics of aging) to play it.

I don't really care about intense gore or six and whatnot. Yes, from the screens it looks like it will be super lifelike and that some parts may be disturbing as far as violence/monsters goes for some young kids, but I want it to be mature in the intellectual sense. Tough moral/ethical choices, blurred lines between good and evil, realistic character motives, etc. I really don't feel like TES games have had that sort of thing for a long time. As far as the actual choices go, I mean. Yeah in Oblivion and Morrowind if you were in certain factions, some quests might require you to do morally questionable things, but the quests themselves didn't give you more than one or two choices about how to resolve it. Last TES example I can think of is Daggerfall, when you had to make a certain choice at the end game that could go multiple ways and there didn't seem to be one "correct" or "right" thing to do.

wouldnt go so far as to call it "advlt"... games that get that rating have... dirty things in them.

this will be a more mature game, most likely... but definitely not advlt.

hell, i dont even consider mortal kombat "advlt"... and you can see how bloody and brutal that series is.

it would be nice to have some form of dismemberment... if it doesnt, im curious as to what they consider "brutal", exactly... louder "smack" sounds when you perform a move that should've cleaved someone in half?