Skyrim - more advlt game? : V - Skyrim

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:16 pm

I feel no need to for Skyrim to contain extensive blood and gore, but it would be ridonculously cool if we would be able to run a blade through an opponent, to actually see it hit and do some damage. :woot: Being able to cut off limbs could be cool if not used all to often, but it would look even better if we could just bury our axe or claymore deep into our opponents shoulder or head and then having to pull the weapon out of the dead opponent.

Regarding six, no thank you. That's not what I'm looking for in a game like this. Also, foul language is quite unnecessary, I'd rather see the NPCs to use words like N'wah, S'wit, Criminal Scum, and some other Nordic words :hubbahubba:

This pretty much covers what would make a game M-rated(?), but I'm not sure where a game like this would land? Oh, and I'd love for the game to have a very mature story, with politics, religion, intrigues and so on. But, as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't affect the games age rating, does it?

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:36 pm

the fact that you can slaughter children if thay piss you off, makes me think that it is going to have the rating M

Actually, no because people say it's immoral.
Christian [censored] if you ask me.
These days, people who DON'T play video games can't make the difference between real and fictive things in games.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:35 pm

You people shouldnt worry about six content if you are on pc, as soon as the nexus crowd gets their hands on skyrim....well, you know what happens :hubbahubba:

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:43 pm

To me it seems like the extravagant and dramatic story in Skyrim, coupled with the addition of Dragons, as though it is aimed at younger audiences. I hope not however. And having said that, I was 9 when I started playing Morrowind, and I didn't do the MQ (or any quests, really). I just spent my time running between Balmora, Seyda Neen, Gnaar Mok, and Vivec, and if I was daring I would trek out to Gnisis or Ald'Ruhn. I miss that about Morrowind - how there was that sense of something being too "big" for your character at a certain time. It took me over a year to discover Suran.

i was nine too haha i like the feeling of wonder i got back then. When i thought oh my this world is mine i can go anywhere. All i did was explore and it took me forever but even when i got it a little more i still was "WOWED" by the world.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:13 pm

Well, I'm Christian yet I'm able to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

They just need to put in what they feel will tell the story, that's all I care about. I don't care about having six with pixels or being able to decapitate my enemies. I want to play a game that has me captivated, makes me cheer for the heroes and worry about whether or not they'd make it.

But yeah, America is an odd country (note: I'm an American). Apparently its okay to let our kids see some guy bash some other guy's head off with a war hammer, but the moment the the hero and his gf start getting passionate love, its "OMFG!!!" Seriously, letting a kid watch a guy and girl make out passionately won't make their little brains crack. Chances are they'll go "Ugh, gross!" and look away until the character's are done. Children aren't as fragile as we think they are.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:38 pm

When I was younger, I wanted more mature games. Now that I'm older, I couldnt care less. In fact, in anything I like some innocence here and there. However, Oblivion too 'innocent', but Mowwind, as much as I loved the game, was a little too dark at times.

Morrowind could be lighthearted and funny at times, like the bored temple dremora. The dark stuff was usually confined to the main plot. The people tended to be less airy fairy though.

Personally, I hope to see evidence of executions having been carried out, political backstabbing, that sort of thing. In oblivion you had to go into the planes to see a torture chamber. The cities were all bright and safe, even Bravil.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:58 pm

I am an athiest and I dont like the idea of children being harmed even in a game, and as for six I could care less as long as it didnt turn into leisure suit larry stupid

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:01 pm

Ahem. I played fall out, in spite of the gore. In fact I hated it almost enough to make me break the game. Also I only spent about 20 hrs on it, as opposed to oblivion which I spent countless. I most definitely do not want to see the gore from fallout transfer to TESV.

And your point is?...
I never said they should add fallout gore alls i said was say that fallout had alot of gore and still sold very well so theres not reason to hold back, I don't think they'd use as much gore as fallout and i wouldn't care fore it too much I liked it in Fallout for TES I'm not sure. You took my quote out of context.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:47 am

It's not just young kids that shouldn't be seeing "six" in the game. Many people have strong moral objections to it, the same with the over-board gore. When you add gore you add realism, when you add realism you desensitize, when you desensitize to killing people with realism you make killing people not seem wrong. Learn human psychology. I have strong moral objections to such things. There is good realism and bad realism. I could go on about how "six" also desensitize people, which leads to the "Objectification" of people in general, but I want to assume most people have a high enough degree of intelligence to understand this.

There are two points that you need to remember:
1. In our days one out of five children has minor mental disorders and reconquers professional help and correction in order to not to end up either in prison, asylum or blowing his brains out later in live. While a healthy child can be exposed to all the mature content you want and will deal with it brilliantly the parents of thous who have issues need warning. Let's just say that thous children are not always good at telling games form reality and good form bad, and need their hand held and things explained to them quite a bit more than a normal child. And even thou they have difficulties they want to play games like any other kid, so their parents need at last some kind of warning. It is not about the game developers, for them it's a question of money, for the families with difficulties it's a question of normal happy live, if the rating can help prevent even one indecent it will be wholly worse any money lost in the process.
Perhaps some better explanation to the general public about the ratings are in order thou, people tend to either disregard them or treat them as a law, not informative function they are supposed to be.

2. Culture. In America people will rather let their children see a severed head than a passionate kiss, while for example in my home country it's exactly the other way around. I'd easily allow a 13 years old to see a full nudity and tastefully done six scene, but not half rotten head and a man with "mother" issues of Freudian scale. The Dark Brotherhood is an organization every member of witch without question would have gotten a death penalty in most countries of the world, just submitting a contract to them requires human sacrifice if you read in game leaflets, and the player is not even reprimanded for the whole line, it's treated like it's something normal... So the game is correctly rated 15+ here, and I would not want someone younger (11-14 years) who deals with her or his own identity crisis and relays on games as a means to learn about the world (and at that age all children do, it's the natural mechanics of aging) to play it.

Another psychological matter to add. Everything you see gets store in your brain, the more often you see something the more memory you have of it the more likely it is to effect you, which is how desensitizing works.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:45 am

You people shouldnt worry about six content if you are on pc, as soon as the nexus crowd gets their hands on skyrim....well, you know what happens :hubbahubba:

And what good would that be? I don't want unnecessary six and nudity which make no sense and should never have been in the game, just like i don't want playable dremora. What i want is for Bethesda to stop treating the subject like a nervous giggling schoolgirl.

But yeah, America is an odd country (note: I'm an American). Apparently its okay to let our kids see some guy bash some other guy's head off with a war hammer, but the moment the the hero and his gf start getting passionate love, its "OMFG!!!"

As an European, that is something about America i have never understood. Here in Europe, it's the other way around, we are much more concerned about violence, and with all due respect, that is how it should be.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:10 am

Seriously, letting a kid watch a guy and girl make out passionately won't make their little brains crack. Chances are they'll go "Ugh, gross!" and look away until the character's are done. Children aren't as fragile as we think they are.

Exactly - love and it's physical side are the most natural things in the world. For hundreds of years children where raised in the same house, with one room, where behind a curtain parents where busy making more children, and hey. look, non of them cracked!

A child will most likely go "oh gross" at the stupid advlts, and teenager will giggle and satisfy some of the natural curiosity, which may very well save him or her form actually engaging in six while not ready for it just to get the information about the subject - because everyone is talking about it and no teenager wants to seem not "cool" or "advlt" enough. I'd rather they have enough info to cook up a believable story about their "adventures" for the peers than get frustrated that everyone seams to know more and go give it a try just to fit in.

Madaras Zore - yes and while being a bit desensitized towards six is a healthy trend with all the commercials you see on TV our days, being desensitized towards violence is a road to being indifferent about it and not caring for the pain that you may inflict. Violence is not OK and never will be, and that is one thing that people should remember.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:15 pm

Define "advlt", please.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:36 pm

Well, I'm Christian yet I'm able to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

They just need to put in what they feel will tell the story, that's all I care about. I don't care about having six with pixels or being able to decapitate my enemies. I want to play a game that has me captivated, makes me cheer for the heroes and worry about whether or not they'd make it.

But yeah, America is an odd country (note: I'm an American). Apparently its okay to let our kids see some guy bash some other guy's head off with a war hammer, but the moment the the hero and his gf start getting passionate love, its "OMFG!!!" Seriously, letting a kid watch a guy and girl make out passionately won't make their little brains crack. Chances are they'll go "Ugh, gross!" and look away until the character's are done. Children aren't as fragile as we think they are.

My thoughts exactly. Btw, when I read your post I sort of started to think "My God, a sensible and clairvoyant American, this has to be the end of the world :ahhh: ". (No offence to all of you lovely Americans out there on the internet, just kidding :wink:

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» Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:45 pm

...Children aren't as fragile as we think they are.

Correction "Children aren't as"Innocent"as we think" and that is a very heart breaking thing. Innocence lost isn't something people should be proud of, not in the slightest. We should love one another and treat every human with respect (until they give reason otherwise). When a person loses their innocence their natural respect for other human beings is greatly reduced, at that point it's all up to moral character and mental health to decide.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:38 pm

My thoughts exactly. Btw, when I read your post I sort of started to think "My God, a sensible and clairvoyant American, this has to be the end of the world :ahhh: ". (No offence to all of you lovely Americans out there on the internet, just kidding :wink:

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EDIT: typo

Well, unfortunately, most the Americans you see on TV are the dumb type who screech things like: "OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!1111" when talking about romance/violence yet buy their kid stuff like Call of Duty.

I envy you Europeans. You've got everything right. Mind if I move over there?

@ TheHunter- I agree 100% with you. I wish we were like your country.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:42 pm

Well, unfortunately, most the Americans you see on TV are the dumb type who screech things like: "OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!1111" when talking about romance/violence yet buy their kid stuff like Call of Duty.

I envy you Europeans. You've got everything right. Mind if I move over there?

Please do...asap :thumbsup:
That goes for every american that thinks Europe is all great! Nothin like good ol great briton!

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:16 pm

More blood - Yes
More Violence in general - Yes
More nvde content - A little maybe, now the girls in the game looks better judging from the tavern pic from the magazine :rock:

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:54 pm

More and more posts are venturing into the realm of today's society and its view on certain aspects of life, love and even religion. While so far this has been done maturely and sensibly, I'd like to remind you all that if you wish to discuss topics - except religion - then the Skyrim board isn't the suitable place for that.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:27 pm

Please do...asap :thumbsup:
That goes for every american that thinks Europe is all great! Nothin like good ol great briton!

Sweet!

I've already planning on living in the countryside of ol' Scotland. (If I ever live there)

Or maybe somewhere in England. Who knows. XD I probably wouldn't want to live in London, though. I hear traffic's a horror there.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:13 am

Well, unfortunately, most the Americans you see on TV are the dumb type who screech things like: "OMG THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!1111" when talking about romance/violence yet buy their kid stuff like Call of Duty.

I envy you Europeans. You've got everything right. Mind if I move over there?

@ TheHunter- I agree 100% with you. I wish we were like your country.

Sure, come on over! We've got plenty of space in Sweden! :biggrin: I wouldn't say we've got everything right though, no country or region is perfect.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:23 am

True. Not every country is perfect, but still, I have a fondness for both France and the UK. :3 If I had to live anywhere else, it'd be in one of those countries.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:55 pm

Sure, come on over! We've got plenty of space in Sweden! :biggrin: I wouldn't say we've got everything right though, no country or region is perfect.

Well partially right, most countries are extreamly screwed up.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:19 pm

Sweet!

I've already planning on living in the countryside of ol' Scotland. (If I ever live there)

Or maybe somewhere in England. Who knows. XD I probably wouldn't want to live in London, though. I hear traffic's a horror there.

I've actually lived in England for 6 months (outside good old London) and sure, the traffic's a mess, but that's no problem if you'd live in one of the suburbs. I had the fortune to live in a place called Gerrards Cross, approximately 30 minutes outside of central London by train. It was wonderful :twirl:

Been to Scotland too, I would absolutely love to have a small cottage somewhere on the countryside, right next to a loch and a mountain!

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:48 am

bewbes AMG our culture is falling...

for God's sake, if your an advlt why worry about violence and naked people???? I mean don't you get that already, did you not see it on news, TV, real life, street...etc, if your a kid don't play M rated games problem solved.

if you over the age of 18 and freak out when certain body parts are mentioned, then seek medical help and get away from me.

I just hope the game is much more .. realistic.

» Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:17 am

I'm fairly certain it will be in any case darker, more serious ; and I'm very certainly hoping for more complexity, backstabbing politics, moral greyness,violence, mention of six (insofar it feels weird to have a world that strives for realism but where even the subject never comes up).