well it looks like skyrim will probably be a little less "childish" as you put it we're getting execution like finishers the games over all more gritty looking . and they have said there trying to fit dismemberment in. it does seem that the childishnes of oblivion condenced itself into the children that will be present in skyrim.

Meh, not having exploding bodies for no good reason isn't childish... It's definitely not childish to hang a guy upside down from the ceiling and mutilate him alive and doing obscene things to a certain body part as well.

And about Children they were in Fallout and Fallout NV, so that said to my point.
So i wonder if we could talk with them like in Fallout 3, its not a feature i look forward to but something to voice out

The more blood and gore the better. I know a lot of people on this forum hate mature themes, but I'm really hoping for the game to be as gory as possible without going over the top. six references would be nice too.

Here we go again.

"Mature" doesn't mean it has to have gore, six, drugs, and rock'n'roll.
"Mature" means that the player may gore, six, drugs, etc and doesn't get all giddy like a school girl. It is all about the understanding of the story and the elements of the plot.

We're you kidding? I thought it was gloriously subtle and entertaining.

One thing I would actually prefer Bethesda games to not be more "mature" in: I don't like the idea of nudity in the games.

Someone handed a fish stick back on the old oblivion forums I think. Is this like a Bethesda forum tradition?

TES games have always been accessable so not that mature like...the witcher 2 which seems to be taking the darkest aspects of human nature and slamming it into a high fantasy setting.

Yes. Anytime a new member joins they are given a fishy stick. Sometimes they also do it when you do something really cool or whatnot.

I never got a fishy stick...

:'(

Huh? Blood and sixuality means maturity?
That's for...grown-up kids,I think ^^;


Yes,I think Oblivion was immature.But because it was "holy paladins loyal to the honorable emperor vs evil evil bad demons" from the beginning to the end.And getting rid of your infame for KOTN was the full stop.If the game had more realistic characters it'd be much more mature.Like if the emperor had more fear of death,people trying to take his place in the absence,perhaps Martin having a better name and less heroic personality,and Daedra with better motives than "lets invade and play the bad guys" it'd be a much more interesting story.

As soon as I heard the word "Dragonborn",I'm thinking of why would one betray its own kin to help humankind?What if the character decided that his/her family were the dragons,instead of the f***ing Empire and its dogs that is Blades? (I'm rping here,that's not how I exactly think of blades XP) Now,I'm not expecting the game to be that open actually,but that is what I understand of maturity.Not having the game tell you who's the good guy and who's the bad.

I think you mean "the official BGS forum". Unless you really mean this is the official forum for BS.....in which I would have to agree with you on many accounts. :biggrin:



Ditto. I can't play OB anymore. It hurts my eyes and makes me bored.



Use the "Add" button on the spell checker when you want a new word to no longer be counted as misspelled. For instance, I am adding BGS to the spell checker right now as I post this, so I don't have to see them brought up again. It works fine for me.

When I first got my copy my new copy of Fallout 3 it smelled fresh and new.

When I first got my used copy of Oblivion it smelled of marijuana. I'll let you all decide which seems more mature. :hubbahubba:

Ok Elder Scrolls old fart story time!

The original Elder Scrolls Arena was rated teen, there was some blood and gore, though not as rampant as Doom, pixelated gore was the best they could do at the time.

Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall was M rated, as well as it's Gaiden story Battlespire, with perhaps about as much blood and gore as Arena. The main reason it got bumped to M? Both had nudity mainly in the form of full frontal paper dolls in the character sheet for both sixes. There were also a few female monsters (Nymphs, Lamias, Daedric Seducers) that were naked. And a few of the temples and witches covens had naked dancing girls all pixelated of course because it was the best they could do at they time.

Partially this was do to the lead guy on thing being Julian LeFay. A Danish fellow who had no qualms about characters going pantless. Lefay left shortly before the Development of Morrowind. With him gone there was talk of nudity but it was decided to go without, As for gore, it would have taken time to implement which the team wanted to focus on other things. All the same because those sixy 3d polygon graphics we know and love today were still in an awkward pubascent stage at the time of the games production.

No nudity no gore. So got bumped down to a teen rating, which along with the xbox release, likely helped its wide spread apeal.

When Oblivion came out it also had a teen rating. However apparently the idea of nudity came up for discussion again, because there was topless code that was left in the game, but was ultimately scrapped come final product. Unfortunately for Bethesda some found this code and complied it into a mod, this caused something of a scandal and the game and was one of the main reasons it was bumped to and M rating on later released versions when the ERSB looked into the game again. Despite the fact that the only way a player could have access to it through a PC Mod. In anycase the majority of the modded community didn't like the way the bodies looked in oblivion to begin with and made there own.

So in a nut shell, Elder Scrolls has an on again off again relationship with the M rating. Todd Howard said when they make these games they don't really shoot for any one particular rating. I'm guessing a majority of this has to do with the technology, what works, what doesn't, what the team has time to do, and what may or may not be good for sales.

I for one wouldn't mind seeing some gore and a return to nudity.

I am not sure what the OP means but personally I feel the Oblivion races looked more childish than the Skyrim ones we have seen so far. One of the annoying things about Oblivion for me was that you were basically making your race with http://www.childofthe1980s.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/play-doh.jpg and it was very difficult to get what you want. From the two races we have seen so far, I feel Skyrim will improve on the "look" of the races, making them look more mature and not so much cartoonish. I mean just look at the wood elves, i mean come on

Yes, I'm under this impression too. Too much gore and sixualizing is a bad thing, they should keep it closer to the traditional ES style. I know ES have had more sixual refernces than OB, just look at MW so it would be fine.

Boob jokes? I'm drawing a blank here. ________ <-- See Big Ol' Blank needs a fill'n.

To OP: FO3 and Oblivion both had their moments, remember the DB questline? Also FO3 had plenty of the more cruel aspects than just over the top gore and dirty language. Even I'll give Beth credit for that.

I don't see what violence/sixual themes have to do with maturity. Plenty of games have the former but not the latter.

I think a mature game would be one with nuanced dialogue, a deeper story, fully fleshed characters, moral complexity, etc. Something that can be taken more seriously.

Oblivion doesn't do that well in that respect. It comes off as a little childish because of the blunt dialogue, pompous and often goofy characters, and the straight forward story (not necessarily a bad thing when the player is given so much freedom to break away from it). Fallout 3 was a little better but I hope Skyrim goes even further.

Skyrim more mature than Oblivion? I should certainly hope so.

I want this to me a man's game, not babys first Elder Scrolls

Almost everyone in this thread is misinterpreting the OP. He's not talking about maturity based on violence and gore; he's talking about maturity through character development.



Don't just assume that whenever the question of maturity is brought up, it automatically refers to brutality and gore. (You might also want to edit your first post to include that segment OP, to clarify.)

What about Fallout 1's kind of dark maturity?

Why doest it matter? it could well be a T game like morrowind and it would be just fine

It won't be ''childish''. The new age limit is 18 and there's alot of new stuff like finishing moves ... And lets not forget, nords are like freaking vikings ! Yeah !

I think the art in Skyrim has vastly matured over the art from Oblivion. I don't find the Oblivion characters too childish but they're definitely more primitive from the new art we're seeing now, as is the Morrowind art and as it should be as the series progresses. Some of the character artists are posting in the Meet The Devs threads...you could ask them about your concerns.

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It does seem darker and more mature in what we've seen and heard so far.

I guess I like that, but I also liked some of the childishness from Oblivion, and the way it was just unoffensive and not too dark or depressing, which I found Fallout3 to be.

I want the world to feel like a happy place, not a place of despair and pain.