I was recently looking at a poll for "Which Race Will You Start Off With?" or something and i noticed there were barely any votes for Redguard. I want Redguards to be more unique, with a less beefy build (unlike Nords and Orcs) , conflicts with other races, their own social cliques, and with conflicts between Crowns and Forebears (two sects of Redguards) . I basically want them to be more interesting, which they really lacked in Oblivion!

Dont use unbolded red text. I have good eyes and I still had to highlight it to read it.

I think Skyrims going to be more focused on the Nord race.

Edit: Well you changed that by the time Id responded, but I think you overdid it just a tad.

I recall that they're sometimes looking VERY red with a tinge of weird green on the corner of their lips. That's about the extent of their quirks in Oblivion.

edit: I must say that I chuckled a bit at the editing mishaps going on in this thread.

Woah, tone down the text. I don't like being yelled at (especially in red, lol).
But I hope thay make ALL races unique, not just Redguards. I want the elves to be different not just copy-paste and change a few things.

A mod changed it for me




Yup




I already had a thread talking about Elves and such, but I do think they will make them a lot more different based on what i've seen, but i don't know about Redguards..

Why not play as an redguard, thats can be
http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gallery_files/rg_cyrus02.jpg

Exactly

I disagreed with the OP because of his horrible font-format selection. If it hurts my eyes, I'm not going to read it.

Besides, if Redguards are as good as they were in Oblivion, you have little to worry about.

Oh god, I'm blind!

Anyway, I love Redguards. They're my favorite race. It's nice that you played TESA: Redguard and liked it and all, but Stros M'kai is not quite the standard for Redguard behavior. In addition to it being very very long ago in the past, it's mostly old, angry Redguards who were only that way due to highly unusual circumstances. "Crowns" and "Forebears" make no sense in modern day Skyrim.

I don't want "skinny builds" either. If anything, Redguards should be a little more buff. They're one of the best overall warrior races in all of the games.

Sure, I want better Redguards. I want all of the races to be even better. I don't think that's going to be an issue.

My eyes! Redguards should be as they were in Redguard.

DEAD.

If by 'better' you mean much more attractive, then yes. I haven't really seen any attractive male Redguards anywhere (including mods), and the generic females aren't much better (but receive a lot more attention from modders).

But anything else, aren't the Crowns and Forebears united now?

I agree, Redguards shouldn't just be black Imperials, seeing as how they are, in no known way, connected to any of the other Human races by blood or homeland.

Not to sound racist (because someone will misconstrue it, I'm sure) but I believe Redguards are so underused because white gamers just cannot relate to black characters.

It's a stigma that stems mostly from the MMO genre. Where to many, your online avatar has to relate to you personally or else you're "weird." You see the debate all over MMO forums: "why do guys play as girls?" and it always boils down to those who view their avatar as themselves in the world, and those who take the opportunity to become someone else. With perhaps a smattering of "I like eye candy" here and there.

Those that do not view their character as themselves tend to be all over the place: elves, orcs, cats, three-toed sloths. But those that view their characters as themselves in a new world will of course gravitate towards races that are mostly human-like. With the Elder Scrolls, we have some variety in our humans, but the most noticeable divide between them physically, is that the Redguards are black skinned. Given that the stereotypical "gamer" is a teenage/young advlt white male, it's really no surprise to me to see Redguards go under-appreciated in such a poll.

I do not believe however that Redguards are in any need of a visual or lore overhaul. They have a rich history and a unique style of religious views. And as mentioned, they are statistically a powerful race. Adrenaline Rush has always been one of my favorite racial abilities and my MW Redguard was a total badass. I couldn't get into them in Oblivion though... it looked like Bethesda made their faces crooked to me :confused:

Suffice it to say, Redguards are going to be fine, and those that can appreciate them, will use them.

i think faces just svcked in oblivion, Redguards looked weird but so did everyone else. I think giving the more definition in their faces, everyone in ob had pudgy faces, i mean look at that pic of cyrus, he looks awesome. Giving them actual darker faces instead of red or green tinting would help them alot too

Absolutely!!! Redguards are practically my favourite race, placing just a narrow second behind Imperials. I love their culture, background, history and general world. However, I feel that this is poorly represented inside the games themselves as Redguards are simply made out to be the 'black humans' instead of the wholly unique and amazing race they are.

Instead of merely giving them Afros and dreadlocks (you can do better Bethesda :rolleyes:) I'd love for them to be as fleshed out ingame as they are in the lore. I want their warrior culture to be present at all times, but I also want to see their cultural divisions. I want them to be physically distinguishable from the other races as the lean, athletic men they are. I want justice done to them at long last, for they truly are an amazing race.

I feel that the most well developed races so far are Dunmer and (to a lesser extent) Imperials. This is no suprise, since these peoples' home provinces were covered in games, but really, in comparison Redguards (as well as say Bosmer and Orsimer) have barely a fraction of that 'substance' included ingame. I can only hope that, with Skyrim sharing a border and troubled history with Hammerfell, Redguards will be a little more prominent in The Elder Scrolls, becoming the mighty seafaring masters of combat they are in lore instead of merely being 'the black option'.

For the record, I'm white and that's no barrier for me to love Redguards as much as I do; I pretty much relate more to Redguards than say Nords or Bretons (though I'm closer to Imperials mind you), but really this is shallow in itself. The challenge of a roleplaying such as in the TES series is not to convey your own identity within the gameworld, but rather to craft a new one within it, adhering to its principles. With such a large selection of races with rich backstory and a huge difference between them, everyone has a race they prefer, and Redguards are it for me (along with Imperials).

Yes, we only had an entire game where it was mandatory to play as one. Personally I played a Redguard fairly often in Morrowind. I barely played them at all in Oblivion because I couldn't stand their glowing magenta skin and green lips.


My hunch is that after seeing a lot of them in Daggerfall and Redguard, as well as quite a sizeable presence in Anvil, they'll take a back seat in Skyrim as we focus on the Northern based races, the Nords, Dunmer and Bretons. There will of course be some of them about, especially in port towns, but I wouldn't expect them to have a big cultural impact in Skyrim.

Your right on players projecting themselves onto their character, but the Redguards aren't black, they're red. If anything they should be closely related to the American Indian than Africans.

This is what i want my redguard to look like.

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Every time I tried to make a female Redguard in OB, as soon as she got outside it looked like she had a white beard or stubble, and every time I corrected this, the little black 'tache appeared, so you are right, they need to be sorted.

What's wrong with Redguard? I personally like them the way they are. :confused:


Wasn't that way in Arena.

Nobody's forcing anybody to be a Redguard.

more MORGAN FREEMAN less LITTLE RICHARD

Lore-wise, though, they are. Thus their name, Redguard and not Blackguard. :tongue:

And to be fair, I'm African-American and my skin isn't "black".

You know.... "black" people are not actually BLACK. Some may come vaery close, but many are not. The skin tone varies more than most other groups of people. Ever heard of the term "redbone"? Yellowbone? My Oblivion Redguard had a red sheen to him, but so do I. :shrug:

As for the Redguards... Im just asking for haircuts that make sense. Redgaurds are supposed to have wiry hair, yet half of the haircuts look like something off an anime character. Id at least want dreads back or something. As long as they dont look like Prince because if I recall correctly, Tamriel doesnt have Soul Glo