Yes, some graphics are not as good as they should be, but no it doesn't NEED to be the most graphically impressive game.

It would certainly help it get GOTY, obviously but it's already easily a top contender right now.

You haven't seen the real water then, only the rapids that everyone keeps complaining about. Watch the trailer again. In the village you can see a river to the left. In the caves you can see running water where the character has the staff that launches light, which is great water, Crysis quality water. Then the waterfalls of Markarth and the waterfalls in the cave where the guy uses that aoe fire spell. Then the water by the guy that gets stabbed in the gut. The water in Skyrim is far superior to Oblivion and definitely Morrowind, you just have to look at the real water. The rapids were made to look like that white because it is supposed to be white water rapids, they aren't indicative of what water looks like in Skyrim.

Pfft. Ha ha ha. No. I mean, yes, better than Oblivion, but not that much. I would say maybe 1.5x better looking, considering there hasn't been that much of an evolution graphically. Well, at least not as much as in the same 5 years on the PC.


Because they still can be? You should know that there are different teams working on different parts of the game, so the graphical team has PLENTY of time to work in some more features like TRUE Hi-res textures, SSAO, implementing different APIs such as DX10 and DX11 with their features, etc. And while they're focusing on that, the other teams are focusing on what you say above, like the gameplay, the quests, the story, etc.

It's not just one big team doing ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to make one big product, it's several smaller teams working on different key aspects to make one big product.

The game doesn't have to look the best... but I at least want it to look better than anything Bethesda has ever made before (And by the looks of the trailer, it looks beautiful).

IMPOSSIBLE Crysis 2 is coming out this year and it is said to even beat the old record holder on Best looking game ever made! And what is that?
Crysis 1...

The graphics are far beyond Oblivion. You do realize that this trailer and all the screenshots shown are from the 360 so you have to compare them to other 360 versions of games, not the PC versions. Yes, it's only 1.5x better looking than PC Oblivion, but that's saying something seeing as how Skyrim 360 is 50% better looking than the PC version of Oblivion. The 360 version of Skyrim even looks better than Nehrim, and Nehrim is gorgeous.

No, it looks much better than Oblivion. I played Oblivion, today... a console version, too. That Skyrim trailer showed graphics far superior to Oblivion. 2000x is clearly an exaggeration, but 1.5x is incredible. If you honestly mean 1.5x, even though I'm not quite sure how one measures graphical improvement in such a way, I would think you would know that 1.5x would be quite a bit.

The trailer was taken off of the 360. Meaning its using DX9, so with just DX9 support the game already looks that good. I don't get how you can even say its only slightly better than Oblivion, did you watch the same trailer? I'm pretty sure what I saw looked absolutely stunning. Whatever group of folks where working on the graphics have done an amazing job so far. And who knows if there will be DX10 or 11 support yet. If there is, I hope some of the PC users will quite complaining. And even if there is only DX9, like I said before, gameplay looks stunning

What parts look bad to you people? The tiny little pixelated details that no one even pays attention to besides the graphics Nazis?

And if no one understands that 2000x is a hyperbole, please go have your head examined.

The trailer was done on the xbox360 so hence the not so perfect graphics

they were trying to mimmick white water rapids.

http://www.yourluckytour.com/galeria/white_wather_rafting.jpg



in the cave scene you can see beautiful flowing clear water.

Like I said, it's PC blindness. He only has PC graphics to compare it to and probably also imagining the game with graphics mods like Nehrim or qarls.



Uggh, the graphics of that screen you posted is horrible. What loser made that game? :tongue:

I agree, but I've only played on the PC once, and I didn't like it. I'm used to PS3 graphics.

I play on both console and PC (mostly PC) so I have an eye for the differences and can compare a PC version to another PC version or a console version to another console version without batting an eye. I've got to the point where I'm going to phase out my console as long as the PC versions of games keep giving controller compatibility, which is the great thing about the consoles (except I play my FPSs with my mouse and keyboard)

A well executed and consistent art direction is MUCH more important than technical graphics in my opinion.

Oh look, it's ANOTHER one of these threads.

Listen up man, if you want the game to look stunning and impressive then PLAY ON PC! It's that simple! The game will look three times as good as it will on the consoles if you have a half decent gaming rig.

There will also be community graphical updates and texture updates as there have been for Morrowind & Oblivion.

The trailer was showcased on the xbox360, a 5 year old piece of hardware which 512MB of RAM.. Seriously what do you expect? I'm amazed the game looks half as good as it does on the 360, we can only imagine how awesome it will look on the PC.

And also I love the way the textures look, they have a certain style to them that makes them look awesome.

Actually, I was comparing it to the Xbox 360 version. As that was the very first version I played and I remember that one more fondly. :shrug:


First, you need to know basic math. If something is 1x as good as something else, that means it's just as good. Therefore, 1.5 means it technically looks about the same as it, but a bit better. I wouldn't say 2x, because that won't be the case until the next generation of consoles.

Second, yes, that's a decent amount better, but not nearly as good as it could be.


You apparently don't know how API's work. Just because something is developed for the Xbox 360 doesn't mean it's forced to be DX9. Case and point, Just Cause 2 and Battlefield: Bad Company 2. Both were made for consoles, and both can or do run on different APIs. Just Cause 2 is strictly DX10 on the PC version, while Bad Company 2 has the choice of being DX9, DX10, or DX11.

Yes, we did watch the same trailer. I even downloaded it onto my computer at the highest quality to make sure I watched it in the highest quality.

That's great that it looked absolutely stunning TO YOU, but TO ME, it only looks marginally better.

Yes, great job for a console. For a PC, visuals like this are almost a dime a dozen.

Please refer to what I said above about APIs and personal opinions on graphics.


Let's see here. The textures still look quite low-res, hair looks horrid, water doesn't look nearly as good as how Pete was putting it. Anything else you want me to list?

And yes, I understood that was a hyperbole. Why else did you think I laughed at it? :shrug:

No it does not.

It needs to improve upon the combat and other gameplay features of past Elder Scrolls games, add in some new stuff like crafting and perks, and continue to give us epic storylines with plenty of side quests and stuff to do.

That's about it. The graphics are fine as they are. Improved some but there's no need to have Crysis or Battlefield 3 graphics. First I don't think a game this size that's an open free roam world can support that and still have all the features that we know and love about The Elder Scrolls games. Your asking too much from the current game engines they have to work with.

I'm not talking about the power of the consoles vs PC either. I'm talking about the actual game engines they make the games with and run off of.

I want TES V to be as beautiful as it can be. The recent in-game footage has shown that it will be.

I think you need to go back and replay the 360 version of Oblivion then. Also, no it couldn't be better on the console. It's just as good, maybe even better, than Crysis graphics on the 360. I'm still baffled how they managed to get it to work on the 360 with graphics of that quality. As for as it being 50% better looking that Oblivion, I don't even know how anyone could really equate quality to a number. But it's definitely better than "just a little better"

If it only looks marginally better to you, your looking too much into it. Its GRAPHICS in an OPEN WORLD game. Its really not that big of a deal. Do the graphics look bad? No, and from what I'm reading, your not arguing that, you just don't think they are that good.

We don't even know how the PC version looks yet. We shouldn't even be discussing it until we see confirmed PC screens, which none of them have been. And none of the gameplay was from PC either. I really don't want to use this example, but with Crysis, the graphics on the lowest setting looked like a ball of dirt compared to the highest quality settings. The 360 graphics are about half of what the typical PC does on high quality.

And I didn't mean to insult you, I just thought people were actually taking the 2000x thing seriously.

I just did. I put about a good 52 hours into it so far.

Yes it could. Example? Look at RAGE. Look at The Witcher 2, look at Crysis 2. And before you say "well, that's because those games don't have as much as Skyrim", please refer back to my previous post about different dev teams. I'm sure the graphics team could figure something out.

And I didn't say "just a little better" I said, marginally better. Meaning it's a decent amount better.

And you can't really equate that to a number, so I'm using said number just to describe how I feel the game looks.

Also, please stop saying that Crysis is on the Xbox 360. Crysis never was on the Xbox 360. Crysis 2, on the other hand, is.


You're right there, but graphics do matter to a very large audience outside of our own, so to say they don't matter is just foolish.

If we are to go by Bethesda's track record with ports, it will only look a small amount better on the PC version at highest settings. The textures will be a small amount higher-res (still not hi-res enough for today's standards), AA will be available, and we'll be able to play at a higher resolution than 1280x720. That's all.



Also, to others arguing that Crysis like visuals aren't possible in an open world game, please look at these screens of http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422113. It has a very open world that isn't separated into different cells and only has 4 LOADING SCREENS IN THE ENTIRE GAME. Not to mention the AI is fairly advanced.

So please, take a look at those screenshots before trying to argue that point.

The Witcher 2 was never on the Xbox 360 or the PS3 and will not be. I'm not sure about The Witcher 2, but those other two don't really have open worlds or character AI, do they?

people need to stop with that excuse that because its open world it cant possible have equivalent graphics to a shooter. far cry 2 was an open world shooter and looked stunning. it had superb graphics and i could drive around at fast speeds with no hiccups or slowdowns at all. open world games dont load the entire game into your RAM all at once......they stream it as you go.

as for the textures.......im afraid there is not much that can be done. im assuming the PC version will have higher res textures and if not im sure that a modder will make some excellent replacements for me.

textures are probably one of the lowest things on my list precisely because they are able to be modded easily at least compared to other graphics issues. what im more interested in is having DX11 support at least so that modders can take advantage of it. the shadows look great so i cant complain about them and it looks like they fixed the crappy HDR they had in oblivion so overall im happy with skyrims graphics.

All of those have been revealed with PC graphics except RAGE and you can't really compare RAGE with Skyrim's environment because they are completely different. Skyrim has vegetation everywhere and RAGE is barren. But when it comes down to models, Skyrim looks better. Also, I've never been the one that said "you can't do it because it has too much stuff" because that is a bad argument.



They released videos of what Crysis looks like on the 360 and PS3, go look them up on youtube. That was crytech that released those videos.

I don't think the pc version will look much better(with out mods) as the recent Fallouts did not look much better on pc, check comparisons I was surprised myself how similar they were.

Also check the comparison video on you tube of Crysis on pc and consoles and you will see a big improvement on pc. Unlike the minor improvements of the Fallouts.

With all that said Skyrim is still the best looking game I will have ever played based on the trailer, I thought the water looked awesome and so did everything else.

And you poll is terrible. Blatantly biased, you need an 'other' options, on second thought, you need a lot of other options!