Oh, really? So that you can't complete half of Skyrim's "quests"?

I feel pretty immersed in my character and am developing him how I want to, in an open world where there is no set path for me.

Sounds like an RPG to me.

I would love to hear your explanation on how Skyrim does not fall under the RPG category.

That's why games like Metal Gear Solid pioneered A.I. on the measly PS1, amirite? :rolleyes:

No, a casual game isn't defined by genre, it's defined by being relatively simplistic and take minimal skill on the part of the gamer. A casual gamer is someone who plays games that are easy to pick up and go and that don't require a commitment to learn or play. Like Skyrim. It's just pick up and mess around, nothing to really try to figure out, character building is whatever, the quests are generic and everything is spelled out.

"A game in which players take on the roles of imaginary characters who engage in adventures, typically in a computerized setting. "

You don't know two definitions now, would you care to keep trying? It is an RPG.

I stopped reading, laughed, and disregarded this post entirely when I saw this.

Rocket propelled grenade. You would think that most who bought this game would know this since that's the audience the game was designed for. :sadvaultboy:



Clearly the UI was not designed with a console controller in mind. Clearly. It was also clearly not built with console limitations in mind and then poorly ported to the PC. Clearly. Your statement also contradicts itself. The people who play the least RPGs play on the consoles.

^Describes most fictional games.

Wow, game AI has been around as long as games have been around, nothing on the PS1 was pioneering it. MGS doesn't have complex AI.

:rofl:

love your quote! about the roleplaying tool.the guy who posted the original comment should read it

Um, no. Skyrim requires a pretty hefty time investment to do almost anything. By your definition Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc. are all casual games.

A casual gamer is one who doesn't get invested in games or play them much at all, and simple games like those made by Zynga are targeted at casual gamers. If you play Modern Warfare 8 hours a day, you're not a casual gamer. It doesn't jive with what it means.

Nothing to figure out? I hope that's a joke, I really do. Just because something isn't Baldur's Gate doesn't make it casual.

Wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_game

Most casual games have similar basic features:

Extremely simple gameplay, like a puzzle game that can be played entirely using a one-button mouse or cellphone keypad
Allowing gameplay in short bursts, during work breaks or, in the case of portable and cell phone games, on public transportation
The ability to quickly reach a final stage,[5] or continuous play with no need to save the game
Some variant on a "try before you buy" business model or an advertising-based model
The word "casual" indicates that the games are produced for the casual consumer, who comes across the game and can get into gameplay almost immediately. Every month, an estimated 200 million consumers play casual games online,[4] many of whom do not normally regard themselves as gamers, or fans of video games.

Managing an inventory, buying and selling, crafting, looting, exploring, perks, magic...really? Nothing to learn if someone who's never played games picked up Skyrim?

This is the worst argument ever.

You also have to realize this as well, and it does come to factor in age and maturity as well. While I don't like generalizing, when I went to the midnight launch of Skyrim. A lot of the people who were there were young kids, telling me MW3 was going to get Game of the Year. Basically most of them were out there to Play A Game and be done with it. And a lot of the people praising MW3 were kids. Granted I'm only in my twenties, but kids are younger than me and they behave like kids.

I wish I could find it an article about this. But they talk about how a casual mainstream fanbase is screaming over the true hardcoe fans in droves. I have no problem with the mainstream casual gamers, but when they begin to leak into games I have thoroughly enjoyed and turn them into something they are not then it kind of is sad in a way. It's like watching your favorite thing become sick almost. To be honest I liked Morrowind, like everyone else did. All though a lot of people claim Oblivion to be for the casual mainstream, I thoroughly enjoyed it a little more than Morrowind. One reason though that usually wins me over is character customization.

I play Western RPGs, have always liked Western RPGs for that one reason character customization. I like building my own characters and being my own character. But I haven't been really interested in the hybrid Western "RPGs" such as Mass Effect. I call them Hybrids because it is a character someone else built and you're being asked to fill the role. It's a pseudo character. It's basically like if Halo was a RPG. I'm worried for the business of RPG because I have always enjoyed them the way they are.

Dragon Age Origins was probably the most extreme form of this business changing. DAO was great. Not TES great. But it really had all the classic elements that RPGs held. It really showed that a game could possibly live up to this new generation. It was a rare jewel in this new market. And then DA2 came out and many of the fans of DAO called outrage. They were slighted. Bioware just took a dump all over their fans to appeal to this more mainstream and casual game generation.

The day TES gets a Voice acted main character is the day TES dies, imo. I have always given my characters my own voices. I have always imagined what they sounded like. I didn't need a paid and hired voice actor to tell me what my character should sound like.

I also wish that TES would standup and live to what DAO lived up to. And that's making great classic style RPGs with hints of modern elements. Go back to appealing to their original fanbase. They don't need MW3 and COD lovers to love TES too.

Yes, it does. You are simply too focused on the technological side to see it.

But alas, that is the typical PC gamer.

Consoles are not to be blamed. Bethesda is the one to blame for making it streamlined. You CAN actually streamline the game without making it less of a rpg.

Bethesda didn't just streamline it. They dumbed it down.

:celebration:

Mass Effect 2 was dumbed down, Skyrim is streamlined.

Well apparently on planet Dork, Skyrim is no different than Gears of War 3. Since you don't apparently reside there, you just wouldn't understand.

You want to turn them in? EARN THAT S***

anyone else keep getiing menu freeze? horrible, i have to bring up favorites 5 times before i can even select "quickly" select a favorite, and i use quickly lightly since i have to scroll through an entire list of things to select a spell during combat....did they even play the game before they released it?

Heh, what an extreme overgeneralization. It's like saying every person on the planet has the same IQ, strength, compassion or creativity just because we are all human.

-Consoles sell more games than the PC overall. Only a select few PC developers sell millions of units per game without fail (see: Blizzard)
-Both PC gamers and console gamers are both gamers. This does not mean both share the same interests in the type of games that they play.
-As consoles gain even more popularity, developers shift their focus towards a more "mass appeal" approach instead of the niche/genre market that their games were originally designed for. They don't care if their game has lost it's identity or mostly abandoned those who initially gave them success as long as any random Joe off of the street can pickup and play the game that grabbed him hook, line and sinker with a massive advertising campaign.

This is not a sleight against people who play on consoles either. I've been playing on consoles as well since Pong was first released, and enjoy games on whatever platform they are on if the platform suits them better. However, the RPG genre especially has always been one of the more convoluted genres that only nerds and geeks would play until Square let the "cool kids" know that it was ok to play this type of game when they released FF7. From then on, RPGs in general have had the hardcoe elements stripped away one layer at a time.

PC gamer - someone who plays games on a PC.
Console gamer - someone who plays games on a console.

Difference? Hardware.

Casual gamer - someone who plays casually.

Nothing to do with intelligence, tastes etc, but then that would ruin arguements like this.

Lol, good one.

It has more to do with the maturity of player, imo. Than the intelligence.