Yes. The PC gamers are what got TES going. And now they are making the game simple so they can get more sales from consoles.

Maybe I'm just the odd man out but I have never had a problem with the menu system in 80ish hours of playing across two very different characters. Not in combat, out of combat, anything. Seems to be fairly intuitive. Of course I'm also of the population that plays with a 360 controller on a PC so I've never had to try and use it with a keyboard/mouse.

So cute, isn't it?

oblivion wasnt geared towards console users.....and alot of us bought it....niether was morrowind....alot of us still bought it....i understand the limitations of our old ass hardware but cmon :intergalactic:

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I agree completely.

If it is an anti-aliasing issue I'll folowit up so thank you, don't know why it should happen though I never had an anti-aliasinf issue with Oblivion, would have thought they would have delt with this before launch. It just affects the feeal/quality and realisticity of the game. The only reason I mention XBox was that Morrowind was launched as PC not Xbox and it had far more choices, ie. medium armour, short weapon, long weapons, blunt weapons etc categorisations which made it far more interesting and individaulistic than just one handed and two handed categorisations.

On the contrary, TES was never a big success until Morrowind, and especially Oblivion was also released on the consoles as well as the PC.

The point I'm trying to make is that Console gamers and PC gamers, are both gamers. If the game is being simplified its for both PC and console gamers, not because of one type or the other. Why should it be?

If that is the case then we are both odd men out. I admit that Oblivion's menu system was incredibly cumbersome and drab, but after a while you don't even think about thing like that. Skyrim's new menu system is easily more accessible and aesthetically pleasing than Oblivion's system by a power of ten!

others have addressed this, but since by sheer numbers there are a good many more console players than PC players, and there is a fair representation of players aggravated by the stupefied character traits, wouldn't it seem, therefore, there are likely more console players (myself included) who are aggravated by this than PC players? Perhaps not by percentage, but yeah I play on ps3 (played Morrowind on PC) but I also miss the traits.



I wish we still had attributes and skills. Yes I'm a nerd. Hence the playing of a fantasy rpg... but I liked the numbers. I liked making my bosmer have 100 speed and my nords have 100 strength. It was cooler than this 'everybody is the same speed and jumps the same height'

how does it make sense that my 6'4" 275 pound nord can run as fast as my (supposedly) quick and agile khajiit?

If I recall correctly, the console bashing threads were even worse when Oblivion was released.

Public Enemy Number 1: The UI.. got quieter after the standard response was to link to the best menu mod.

For me, the Elder Scrolls and Fallout games play as the most flexible & fun mission-based shooters EVER!


A real RPG is purely PnP. CRPGS are games like Boulders Gate, Torment, ect......

I for one think pc games should stay on pc and console games should stay on console....I mean come on Commander and Conquer 3 on xblock??? what next gears of war on pc? or starcraft 2 for the ds??

You have a point, in that case it feels so dumbed down and also with the enchantmen (if you can call it that). Though it's not the weapons or the armor that defines you in this game, it's the skills/perks you uppgrade with. If you play more and more you'll see it by yourself. Skyrim has it's unique level system. It's not about having weapons anymore.. it's how you wield a weapon, how to block a weapon, how you resist a weapon, etc. The person does killing blows because he earned enough experience to do so (which is the proof of the unique level system).

Don't take my word for it, play the game and you'll see for yourself. This is a book you get bored to play in the beginning but it works out when you find out small things that can/will happen.
That was my expeirence of this game, I was so bored in the beginning I felt like leaving the game for another. Then I just moved on since I had time, since exploring is my thing I found it lovely you can come back to the point you came from (it's a spoiler if I tell but I mean from the beginning of the game, the town). It felt like I was free from the strict lane of control (and that is what I love with the Elder Scrolls series) and a simple conversation with a random NPC feels so different, sad enough it doesn't feel you can influence a NPC somehow, but that might be because I have to "level up" my speech perk.

You find out things in the game when you played it through 3 times, Skyrim is a game you will never have a feel if you don't play it again and again. That is why Skyim is a good game.. it will never repeat itself (exactly) like last time.

PC gamers typically tend to be older since it costs more and requires knowledge. There are many typical console gamers though: People who play maybe only 1 or two hours a day,, because of work, or mommy; the average joe and sometimes dip[censored]s because its as simple as put in disc and hit play: andn then for the PC gamer who ran out of money and couldnt afford PC gaming anymore.

Who would have ever thought it...a business trying to maximise profits. Lets just hope other gaming companies don't catch on.


With the cost of PCs and gaming consoles now and the overlap between them, this arguement is dead. PC gaming has never been a refuge of the enlightened, nor has console gaming been a cesspit of idiocy. People are people, some are jerks, some are great, I doubt gaming hardware is the deciding factor at play in that one.

So don't play it?

It's not rocket science. If you don't like a game just stop playing it. I don't think anyone hear would really care.

What about Morrowind then on the Xbox! End of story. Im sick of console ruining pc, you cant use it with the Elder Scrolls because Morrowind was a new look for the series and the 1st Elder Scrolls for more than probably 75% of players and it was released on the Xbox as amazing as the pc version. Dont even think about mods theyre pc, they always have been and thats where they belong.

Oh wait i dont have to use a spreadsheet to play Skyrim? winning! i dont see the game as being dumbed down, infact i have more freedom over say Oblivion for example. Your character is no longer restricted to choices you make at the start of the game.

It's called selling out. For example BF3. Great franchise now dead because of console. That's where my hate truly comes from.

Sure I already see that its a case of touching stones etc to build your charcter up as you go and they have a different way about charcter generation it just feels that its too easy to go touch a different stone and start being someone else, in my mind your either an assasin, barbarian, ranger, mage or definably somrthing in between and you largely stay that way it seems silly to go from being a character with no interest in magic one day to one that is a mage the next almost overnight, I guess I just am more happy with the old way of character generation and feel they should have warned players they were going to mess with this.

On the menu it looks like they have been typed out with word on someones coffee break. Ok Oblivion's menu's were austere looking but at least they had a feel, Skyrim's menu's are largely lacking in any feel whatsoever, it doesn't help the feel of the game.

FWIW, wasn't Oblivion a much better example of selling out than Skyrim?

wow.....that sure is some hostility but i wont lie id prefer tes to be made for the pc then ported to consoles (probaly due to likeing oblivion so much) but hey :shrug:

I do have to apologize for the hostility. I'm also a HUGE BF fan, and BF3 is just a piece of utter [censored] because of consoles.

You lost me there - there's absolutely no need to get on your high horse.