I just hope that Beth doesn't do something dumb like remove possible factions.

Skyrim is in fact not all ice and snow. A lot of forest, canyons etc. I don't see how people think that's boring. >_> It is probably just as diverse as Cyrodill.

Might as well not have Skyrim if there's not going to be a diverse amount of factions.

After Shivering Isles, who wants an earth-like environment? While Cyrodiil was diverse, it isn't really creative. I don't want TES V: Alaska, I want an Elder Scrolls game with a unique setting.

I don't know, it just feels too generic to me. Like a replica of the Northern half of (Oblivion's) Cyrodiil.

I'll worry about Skyrim as a setting if I start seeing any arguments against it that amount to more than people with no imagination fearing that Bethesda also has no imagination.

SI wasn't really that great dude. It was a nice refresher for..maybe 2 play throughs. I honestly enjoyed Cyrodill more than SI, landscape wise. I also enjoyed Vvardenfell landscape wise more than both Cyrodill and SI. So take that for what it's worth.


This kind of post irritates me a bit. How do you know that? They haven't even MADE it yet, and you are complaining about it. You know NOTHING of what Skyrim will look like, if that's EVEN the setting for TES:V. Gah.

SI was that great. The characters, the landscape, the creatures, and the quests in SI are all unique and original.

Yeah, it was all unique, and original, but that doesn't mean it was OMGSUPERAMAZING. It was fun. Once, maybe twice. That doesn't scream "lets make every future tes game like this" to me. If I can play Morrowind 100 times and still not tire of the landscape, and play SI and only do it once, MAYBE twice, and grit my teeth through it the second time, that's not amazing landscape. It's "ok" landscape.

Morrowind doesn't have a more amazing landscape than Shivering Isles. Morrowind fans wanted original, they got original. The result is Shivering Isles, a place more interesting than even Vvardenfell. Shivering Isles's small size didn't help replay value much, but the environment itself is brilliant. At least one Elder Scrolls game as interesting as Shivering Isles should exist.

Completely disagree. While SI was a step in the right direction, IMO, it was a "meh" step in the right direction. There are bad steps, good steps, and in between "meh" steps. SI was a "meh" step to me.
Morrowinds landscape was a LOT better than SI, but that's just my opinion, and we are arguing over semantics at this point. It's your opinion verses mine.

Whether Skyrim's setting will be good or bad is also an opinion. We can't disprove each other's opinions, but we can post them.

If Cyrodiil gets a retcon, why can't Skyrim?

The mass expulsion of mountain-farts had a greenhouse effect through all but the highest peaks in the province, transforming the landscape into a rainforest, magically over night. Glaciers in the East Hold melted and cascaded down the mountains and into the canyons of the West Reach, where old settlements of outlanders have adopted fishing as a new way of life.

Everyone who has wanted a good viking game (myself included) may see what they have been waiting for in Skyrim. I'm sure it will mix elements from real world Norse culture with many TES mannerisms to create a setting that is unique and interesting, but at the same time, familiar and realistic. I, for one, wouldn't want any other province more.

The changing of provinces does seem to be a Bethesda tradition after Daggerfall's release. However, I really just can't picture the freezing, Nord-filled Skyrim becoming a unique, tropical paradise. It could be done, but the Nords are known for their resistance to the cold(and a very strong Viking influence) and Skyrim is known to be freezing. It all sounds very unpleasant to me. I hope Bethesda decides to change lore a bit and make the Falmer actually have permanent buildings, which would now be explorable ruins.

The opinions of the people who don't like Skyrim can be summed up by this sentence:

"Northern Oblivion was nothing but a bunch of snowy mountains so that must mean Skyrim will be very similar if not exactly the same."

Which is an incredibly silly thing to say. People are acting like in Bethesda's studio, there's this big poster of the mountains in Oblivion, and if anybody so much as thinks about making someplace in Skyrim look even slightly different than those mountains, they will get whipped, then fired. They seem to think this is what happens every day:

Level designer: But, but I just wanted to put some grass-

Todd Howard: NO! Does that look like snow, Steve? Does that look like snow!? NO! It's grass! It's grass, Steve! There can be nothing but snow! NOTHING BUT SNOW!

The fact is, we don't know what the hell is past those mountains. None of us know. All we have to go on are the things said in past lore (which, by the way, does not say it's this snowy wasteland). Back in Morrowind, we "knew" that Cyrodiil was this huge jungle, and look what happened to that. Yes, that's right, no jungle. Does that mean Skyrim is going to turn out to be a desert? Of course not. But it won't be a dull and snowy wasteland people!



We get it, you love tropical areas or forested areas. We get it, you hate snow. Well guess what Seti, TES games are not made just for you. For every person who hates snow, there's someone who either likes it or loves it. Skyrim can be unique. It won't be tropical, of course, but the fact that isn't tropical like SI or grassy and forested like Oblivion makes it... yes, you guessed it, unique.

I was replying to a post mentioning changing Skyrim partially into rainforest, which is why I said I doubted Skyrim becoming tropical. I also do not believe Skyrim is all snow, but I know(for a fact) that it is freezing. We don't know exactly what Skyrim will be like, but if it truly is like Alaska, than it isn't really unique. Yes, of course I know Elder Scrolls games aren't just for me, but my opinion is my opinion. Besides, if I truly am wrong, wouldn't that be a great surprise for me when Skyrim is released? By expecting Skyrim to be horrible now(even though I still know I will love TES V, no matter where it takes place), I won't be disappointed if I am right, but I will be pleasantly surprised if I am wrong.

However, is Skyrim is, as you put it, similar to Alaska, then it really won't be unique. Nothing Bethesda has created or shown us already makes me believe Skyrim will be a unique place. We've already seen Nordic architecture, two snow-covered areas close to and culturally similar to Skyrim, we know it is a freezing place that Nords even want to escape at points, and we know that Nords are a cultural rip-off of the Vikings who follow a religion we have already seen plenty of. It can be interesting and I expect myself to love it, but Bethesda has had two chances to show us Nordic culture and Skyrim's appearance, and they seem to think the Nords are Vikings, alchoholics, and brutes while they seem to think Skyrim is a frozen wasteland. That is the impression strongly given off by their games and even Alaska is a frozen wasteland.

If Bethesda has tried to show us two representations of Nordic culture and Skyrim's appearance and both times they showed us Vikings living in a frozen wasteland, then why should we expect Skyrim to be any better or any different? People commonly think Skyrim is frozen because it is and people commonly think Skyrim is all covered in snow because that is all Bethesda has given us. In Arena, Skyrim is covered in snow. In Morrowind, Solstheim(meant to show what Skyrim is like) is covered in snow, and in Oblivion, Northern Cyrodiil(meant to show what Skyrim is like) is covered in snow. Haven't we seen enough of Skyrim and Bethesda's failed attempts to show us more than snow? We still seen much of anything related to the southern provinces. Why not go to the Summerset Isles, Elsweyr, Valenwood, or Black Marsh, the places with unique culture and no attempts to explore them at all(other than in Arena)?

Punctuation. Is. Your. Friend. Bro.
(and it helps us read what you're saying)

Who are you writing to, me? I use punctuation.

Nice avatar lmao

But anyways its not that I hate Skyrim I was just hoping they would pick my favorite province Elswyer. Mostly because I'm a fan of Khajiits and moon sugar lol. And also I don't really see anything thats wrong with the province.

Though Bethesda has been setting the game up for Skyrim ever since oblivion was released. And not that I don't mind the Nords or the snow i'm just hoping and praying bethesda won't do something stupid and just mod the whole place until it looks like a bunch of Bravils all over the province.

I think most of the hate towards skyrim is because the fans favorite province didn't get picked. Also there may be some fear in the air that it's just going to all look the same landscape as the snow starts in Cyrodil and Skyrim is farther north. So beautiful green grassland areas are out.

But still Bravil is my most favorite city in oblivion and considering the harshness of the snow and cold it would make the perfect place for a gripping tale of fantasy.

That is EXACTLY what I have been saying for 2 threads and no one listens to what I have to say, yet you say and it and people get it.
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The reason Bethesda made Solsthiem nothing but snow is because Vvardenfell had no snow at all. It was completely different than Vvardenfell just like Shivering Isles was so different than Oblivion. Bethesda didn't make it look like Morrowind because that would have been more of the same.

You edited your post, it was a huge brick wall, and I slammed right into it.

I totally agree with you 110%. It bethesda's game they can change it however they want.

Aswell as snow you need to learn to accept it. If we just have beatful lovely jungles in every game it starts to get unorginal. A snowy landscape is the perfect setting for an elder scrolls game, just because its snowy doesn't mean it won't have a great story or great detailed characters. In fact I can think of lots of awsome games or movies thats story took place out in the middle of a snowy wasteland. Hell a ton of Warcraft III's setting took place in northrend and that games story and design was better than six. It think Skyrim's setting will be better than all the elder scrolls combined.

Pretty much this.^
Alaska is NOT a frozen wasteland. It has frozen wasteland. But thats like saying Cyrodill is a huge city. It has cities. But it's not a city.
Just ask Summer, a moderator here. She lives in Alaska. I've BEEN to Alaska. It's not a frozen wasteland.