skyrim similarities to the norse ragnarok : V

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:20 pm

i recently found out that part of the norse ragnarok is that when the norseman start fighting eachother the giants come out of the hills to join in...just thought this was a cool little thing

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:44 pm

There is a similarity between the two. :wink:

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:54 pm

Nords are loosely based on norseman-meets-hindu. So yeah, there are some similar parts.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:38 am

Actually there aren't many similarities between Skyrim and Ragnar?k. In Ragnar?k there is first a harsh winter that lasts for 3 years, then people start fighting each others, families fight, sons kill their fathers and everyone betrays everyone, even their own kin.

There are no giants that come out of the hills in Ragnar?k. :huh:

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:24 am

Actually there aren't many similarities between Skyrim and Ragnar?k. In Ragnar?k there is first a harsh winter that lasts for 3 years, then people start fighting each others, families fight, sons kill their fathers and everyone betrays everyone, even their own kin.

There are no giants that come out of the hills in Ragnar?k. :huh:

The Fire Giants under Surtr come out of Muspell, and Loki leads the Frost and Stone giants on a boat made out of toenails. All that's missing is some hills. I'd call that close enough.

In any case, forgot the main point, in post-Christianized Norse Mythology the world is destroyed and a new one can take place. Smells like kalpa to me.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:25 am

The Fire Giants under Surtr come out of Muspell, and Loki leads the Frost and Stone giants on a boat made out of toenails. All that's missing is some hills. I'd call that close enough.

In any case, forgot the main point, in post-Christianized Norse Mythology the world is destroyed and a new one can take place. Smells like kalpa to me.

Múspelsheimur isn't a hill, it's another world. I would not call that close enough :lol:

and Naglfari (the ship made of nails) didn't come from any hill either.

but yeah the world is reborn after the events of Ragnar?k

This is all purely academical of course, since we can't discuss religion here (not that I want to)

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:03 pm

Gungnir :hubbahubba:

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:52 pm

Nords are loosely based on norseman-meets-hindu. So yeah, there are some similar parts.

Is there some hindu inspiration? I didn't know that. Could you explain me a little bit about that?

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:39 am

in some of the more common myths the giants come down from the mountains, as there isn't just one myth for the norseman

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:32 am

in some of the more common myths the giants come down from the mountains, as there isn't just one myth for the norseman

Actually there is just one myth, it's called V?luspá and it's an ancient Icelandic poem. A poem I've read multiple times.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:40 am

Similarities = yes

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:34 pm

no actually...there is many different interpretations of what happens and how it happens, one of the lesser known ones is what i'm saying

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:01 pm

Múspelsheimur isn't a hill, it's another world. I would not call that close enough :lol:

But they're still coming out to fight

Oh and don't forget the most important event of Ragnarok, when the Midgard serpent Jormundgandr fight Thor and both are killed. Sounds pretty similar to Alduin versus the Dragonborn and his Dragonshouts.

Actually there is just one myth, it's called V?luspá and it's an ancient Icelandic poem. A poem I've read multiple times.

What about the Edda? I'm not sure myself, but if V?luspá is the only poem about ragnarok then I assume that it's a specific part of the general Edda?

Edit: nevermind, figured it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluspa

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:08 am

no actually...there is many different interpretations of what happens and how it happens, one of the lesser known ones is what i'm saying

and may I ask where you found this lesser known interpretation of what happens during Ragnar?k?

What about the Edda? I'm not sure myself, but if V?luspá is the only poem about ragnarok then I assume that it's a specific part of the general Edda?

Edit: nevermind, figured it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluspa

yeah V?luspá is a part of the Poetic Edda. Ragnar?k is also described in detail in the poem Gylfaginning, which can be found in the Prose Edda (Snorra Edda in Icelandic)

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:48 pm

A boat made out of toenail clippings..

Maybe Skyrim will have one made of earwax.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:25 am

Actually there is just one myth, it's called V?luspá and it's an ancient Icelandic poem. A poem I've read multiple times.

@ Exorince -

My Skyrim character, a v?lva with the name of Sibyl is quite aware of The Poetic Edda, as you might guess. :foodndrink:

Edit: to add - I am not quite certain how she found a copy on Nirn, however, lol.

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:12 pm

Also theres a giant world serpent that eats the world.

Coincidence surely.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:14 am

Waaaaiiiiit.... Skyrim has a Norse influence? I'm SHOCKED :sweat:

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:43 pm

There are similarities...Which just makes me wonder if a certain big bad *cough*were*cough*wolf will have anything to do with the main quest.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:05 am

The Fire Giants under Surtr come out of Muspell, and Loki leads the Frost and Stone giants on a boat made out of toenails. All that's missing is some hills. I'd call that close enough.

In any case, forgot the main point, in post-Christianized Norse Mythology the world is destroyed and a new one can take place. Smells like kalpa to me.

LMAO toenails?

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:11 am

And one should not forget that it is common belief that coming of Nidh?ggr (the dragon, that gnaws on the roots of the world tree Yggdrasil) marks the beginning of Ragnarok. In some myths it's even the roots that hold it down. When it has gnawed all the way through, it will be free, and start ragnarok.
Similarities?

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:48 am

And one should not forget that it is common belief that coming of Nidh?ggr (the dragon, that gnaws on the roots of the world tree Yggdrasil) marks the beginning of Ragnarok. In some myths it's even the roots that hold it down. When it has gnawed all the way through, it will be free, and start ragnarok.
Similarities?

Where'd you get that bit of information :huh:

As Exorince said earlier, Ragnarok is proceeded by a winter that lasts for three years (Fimbul Winter). Nidh?ggr is only mentioned in Voluspa twice, and the only mention of him rising is at the end of the poem, after Ragnarok has occured, and the world reborn.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:27 am

But they're still coming out to fight

Oh and don't forget the most important event of Ragnarok, when the Midgard serpent Jormundgandr fight Thor and both are killed. Sounds pretty similar to Alduin versus the Dragonborn and his Dragonshouts.

What about the Edda? I'm not sure myself, but if V?luspá is the only poem about ragnarok then I assume that it's a specific part of the general Edda?

Edit: nevermind, figured it out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluspa

it was in one of those really old history books that teachers make you read...this was like two years ago, but i'll tell you what...if i remember the name i'll PM you

» Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:14 pm

Hmmm... Norse Ragnarok...

So that's where the name "Ragnarok" is from in Final Fantasy XIII.

Anyway, whatever Ragnarok is, it sounds awesome.

» Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:19 am

Hail the all father!