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Vivec said, 'Reach heaven by violence then.'

So to quiet his mind the Hortator chose from the Fight Racks an axe. He named it and moved on to the first moon.

There, Nerevar was greeted by the Parliament of Craters, who knew him by title and resented his presence, for he was to be a ruling king of earth and this was the lunar realm. They shifted around him in a pattern of entrapment.

'The moon does not recognize crowns or scepters,' they said, 'nor the representatives of kingdoms below, lion or serpent or mathematician. We are the graves of those that have migrated and become ancient countries. We seek no Queens or thrones. Your appearance is decidedly solar, which is to say a library of stolen ideas. We are neither tear nor sorrow. Our revolution succeeded in the manner that is was written. You are the Hortator and unwelcome here.'

And so Nerevar carved at the grave ghosts until he was out of breath and their Parliament could make no new laws.

He said, 'I am not of the slaves that perish.'

Of the members of Parliament only a few survived the Hortator's attack.

A surviving Crater said, 'Appropriation is nothing new. Everything happens of itself. This motif is by no means unassociated with hero myths. You have not acted with the creative impulse; you fall below the weight of destiny. We are graves but not coffins. Know the difference. You have only dug more and supplied no ghosts to reside within. Central to your claim is the predominance of frail events. To be judged by the earth is to sit on a throne of wonder why. Damage us more and you will find naught but the absence of our dead.'

The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.

AE ALTADOON

so... who really cares every game is like that... and at least they look different... and Dragon Age 2 and DA: Origins has like 5 dragons between both those games... Skyrim has infinite.

Uhh...
NOODATLA EA!
*commits sudoku*

Uhh...
NOODATLA EA!
*commits sudoku*

Well that's my comments and beliefs of Skyrim. Go ahead and throw stones at me. Call me a hater. Tell me I'm not a fan or a complete complainer. I know you will, but before you do. Check the date of when you signed up for this forum versus mine.

For one, people actually speak words.

I would rather there be no voice acting, if it meant fleshed out dialogue for every NPC.

I would rather there be no voice acting, if it meant fleshed out dialogue for every NPC.

That being said, I agree with some parts of the OP.
The variety is very lacking in my opinion. Entire Whiterun Hold is filled with 3-4 types of flowers in total, maybe a few mushrooms ontop of that, everywhere you look there's just mountain flowers, tundra cotton and lavendar. And if you decide to run to Solitude and pick every herb on the way (I did that) the only additional one you get is Nightshade, instead of the cotton. Yes, I may exaggerate a little, but my point still stands. Sure, they added insects that you can catch, but even with those it still looks really bland.
The diversion in monsters I honestly expected to be better than Oblivion, it's not really, but I can live with that. I'll just hope modders add in simple wildlife such as boars.
And yes, there doesn't seem to be a big diversion in outfits. And I don't mean armour, just outfits in general.

I agree with the op on most of the points or at least with the general idea.

The examples on how the game would be more creative are the only things I don't agree on, since I would prefer if Bethesda sticked with creatures that at least somewhat felt Elder Scrolls-like.
I don't think that for example a "Water Serpent" has ever been mentioned and in my opinion such a creature wouldn't fit in well with that particular moment you mentioned.

Absolutely, yes.

Because some complaints are as if someone buys a car and then complains because when its under the sun the exterior gets too hot.

HE SAID THERE SHOULD BE MERMAIDS.

What in the...

People should try reading his actual post, perhaps even give their own reasons why he is right or wrong.
Currently 90% of this thread is full of "You're an idiot" posts...

That being said, I agree with some parts of the OP.
The variety is very lacking in my opinion. Entire Whiterun Hold is filled with 3-4 types of flowers in total, maybe a few mushrooms ontop of that, everywhere you look there's just mountain flowers, tundra cotton and lavendar. And if you decide to run to Solitude and pick every herb on the way (I did that) the only additional one you get is Nightshade, instead of the cotton. Yes, I may exaggerate a little, but my point still stands. Sure, they added insects that you can catch, but even with those it still looks really bland.
The diversion in monsters I honestly expected to be better than Oblivion, it's not really, but I can live with that. I'll just hope modders add in simple wildlife such as boars.
And yes, there doesn't seem to be a big diversion in outfits. And I don't mean armour, just outfits in general.

Luckily, most of this can be modded in, assuming there's modders with the same ideas as me...



Who the hell cares? He might've taken that as an example as he couldn't think of anything else. You can still get the idea of his post without nitpicking over all the minor examples.
I don't agree with the mermaids and dwemer serpents at all, but I don't feel the need to brand his entire post useless because he mentioned them.
It's about as pathetic as the people who immediately derail a topic as soon as CoD/WoW/IGN are mentioned.

Many of us feel betrayed by the company.

I'm tired of RPGs going down the toilet...... Skyrim became an action adventure game.

Skyrim is the Dragon Age 2 of the TES series......Skyrim lacks in the creativity department much the way Dragon Age 2 lacked in the creativity department.

Granted, yes, it may be a little tedious like that, however, at the same time it's what gives the world a sense of life. If you ever been to the clothes store or even a shoe store [I have been dragged there plenty of times] they aren't just called black shoes or even just shoes or nice shoes. No they have "Warrior Gray" [a pair of boots at Kohls that my girlfriend was looking at] and "Saddle Brown", "Athena Black", etc.

Skyrim all though a good improvement of what Oblivion didn't have. It lacks in the minor details. And it's the little details that make the world an actual world. It makes these places feel real and it brings immersion into the world so you may play a role in the game.

At current Skyrim is a lifeless dungeon crawler. That tells you to go here and there. And hack 'n slash whomever you want just because someone asked.

One more thing before I close this up, Pseudo choice should be choice. First off Oblivion had tons of choices versus Skyrims No and Yes system. And if I say No that I won't break the law, then it means No. The NPC should recognize this and we should get a consequence for it. Not my character say, "No I won't break the law" and the person going, "Well come back to me when you changed your mind". No means no. And if I say no do something about it.

Let's take for instance Brynolf from the thieves guild who as you steal a ring,

You, "I won't break the law"

Brynolf, "Okay fine,"

Then let's say you have a house. And when you come back to Whiterun to your lovely home you find your Saphire missing and a note from the Thieves Guild for blowing them off. Now you have an interesting set up for side quest to eliminate and take down the thieves guild. Maybe even find the person who stole your Saphire and send a message of your own. These are interesting things that make your Choices Actually Matter. I'm so tired of Pseudo Choice. I want to be able to make a choice and the game to not ignore or say I will change my mind. No means No. And the game should be set up for this. The game should have responses to when you say no.

. I know you will, but before you do. Check the date of when you signed up for this forum versus mine.

For everything that they removed, they added something.

Honestly bro, get a life.

Honestly bro, get a life. Nobody really gives 2 damns if you didnt like a video game.

OP the day skyrim comes out till now: Oh geez I cant wait, Im rushing to get it right now. Sits and plays game for two weeks straight, doesnt sleep, eats skittles and root beer and takes his dumps in an empty can of Tasters Choice. After all that decides he doesnt like the game. Only one thing logical to do, Im going to march straight to the official ES forums and tell everyone about it, since online they cant see my grooming habits and are more prone to take my opinion seriously, I is win on the internet. Types up mundane boring rant about how he didnt like his toy, sits waits for replies because he's sure everyone will tell him how smart he is for figuring all this out way before anyone else. Plus how long he has been a member must validate him, even if his post is uninspired and unoriginal. Holy hell, Im awesome!

Honestly bro, get a life. Nobody really gives 2 damns if you didnt like a video game.

OP the day skyrim comes out till now: Oh geez I cant wait, Im rushing to get it right now. Sits and plays game for two weeks straight, doesnt sleep, eats skittles and root beer and takes his dumps in an empty can of Tasters Choice. After all that decides he doesnt like the game. Only one thing logical to do, Im going to march straight to the official ES forums and tell everyone about it, since online they cant see my grooming habits and are more prone to take my opinion seriously, I is win on the internet. Types up mundane boring rant about how he didnt like his toy, sits waits for replies because he's sure everyone will tell him how smart he is for figuring all this out way before anyone else. Plus how long he has been a member must validate him, even if his post is uninspired and unoriginal. Holy hell, Im awesome!

Honestly bro, get a life. Nobody really gives 2 damns if you didnt like a video game.

There are some valid concerns sprinkled into your post, but I'm not seeing any problems you mention that are actually more prevalent in Skyrim than in Oblivion. If you wanted to call a TES game the "Dragon Age 2" of the series, I could follow you a little more perhaps if you'd said Oblivion was it. Skyrim? No way. Copy/paste content and level scaling was far more of an issue in Oblivion. Overused voice acting, unimaginative quests, lack of variety in enemies(Skyrim is probably the best to date with respect to how different fighting different enemies is), etc. etc. Skyrim's magic system is also simply better, despite the lower spell count, spells are much more distinct when it comes to feel and function as well as visuals.



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I guess this means I have seniority for whatever that is worth. I actually played Morrowind earlier than even that but I guess I joined the forums later.