Skyrim -The end of the modern RPG : V - Skyrim

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:08 pm

Pretty much this.

I agree that XIII was disappointing, but I'm hoping the rumors I've heard about them improving what wasn't liked in XIII are true.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:23 pm

Skyrim -The end of my social life!!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:05 pm

How can any RPG title built on the Xbox 360 or PS3 compete with, let alone outmatch, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim?

This is not such a bad thing................ even if no other title comes close it will force the competition to up their game and bring out better copies of what they would have originally.

And to be honest given the amount of time I spent playing Oblivion, and if they are as close to releasing Next Gen consoles as has benn mentioned here Skyrim could be my last game on the 360 anyway.

So I'm not that fussed

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:58 pm

"Purple Monkey Dishwasher"

:rofl:

thanks. nice. keyboard covered with sprite. thanks
can i use that?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:27 am

and unless we can come up with a way of having instantaneous communications,

This will simply never be possible. Nothing can travel faster than light.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:55 pm

This will simply never be possible. Nothing can travel faster than light.

True... but...

http://www.seti.org.au/spacecom/quantumcom.html

Never say never....

That's pretty old I guess (1999), but they are working on things like this right now. I've heard many theories trying to overcome these kinds of communication limitations using quantum mechanics as the quantum world has some surprising properties, so you never know. :shrug: Not saying IT WILL happen, but it might.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:26 pm

My point is after they make Skyrim they are going to have to release new consoles

Yeah because Rage is a medieval fantasy game with swords and magic that is far inferior to Skyrim... Uhm, I'm not sure what you're smoking, but I have a feeling that it's kinda bad for you.

Also, have you ever considered the possibility that people who play RPGs could be playing other game genres too? lol

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:43 am

No, he's right, everyone else is wrong, and I'll tell you all exactly why: the world is going to end in 2012, so it really will be the last awesome RPG in existence. Yup. :tongue: Better enjoy it as much as you can right after it becomes available!

Seriously though, I can't wait for it to come out. Based on my experiences with Oblivion and Fallout, and after seeing the gameplay in motion in the trailer and semi-high-rez screenshots, I can see where this has the potential of being the best damn game I've ever played to date. Who knows what the future will bring afterwards though.. It's too much for my puny brain to comprehend!

this is wrong as well, based on our calender we where suppose to start AD when jesus was born but we where 7 years off you see, so really the year should be 2018 right now, so the world should have ended in 2001,
unless skyrims's bad assness makes all our heads explode the the world will end on 11-11-11

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:30 pm

this is wrong as well, based on our calender we where suppose to start AD when jesus was born but we where 7 years off you see, so really the year should be 2018 right now, so the world should have ended in 2001

Except that the 2012 myth follows the Mayan calendar, not the Roman. Has nothing to do with when AD started. If we are indeed in 2018 now (as you claim), then the mayan calendar ends in 2019.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:32 pm

1. It might be one of the most successful console fantasy RPGs, but remember that it also comes out for PCs.
2. Chill out brotha.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:11 am

If Skyrim is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:11 am

This will simply never be possible. Nothing can travel faster than light.

They once said that man would never fly too. As Bloody-TSI points out, quantum physics opens all sorts of possibilities for instantaneous communication. They're even experimenting with teleportation, like the Star Trek transporters.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 11:37 am

They once said that man would never fly too. As Bloody-TSI points out, quantum physics opens all sorts of possibilities for instantaneous communication. They're even experimenting with teleportation, like the Star Trek transporters.

There is a problem with your anology. While there was nothing in physical laws that stop people from flying, there appears to be one that would stop faster than light travel: we know by observation that inertial observers agree on the speed of light, regardless of motion of its source. No, that doesn't say that light is the speed limit, but if you really think about it, it follows from it (unless you accept things like imaginary distance and imaginary time- although I believe for virtual particles, physicists already do accept imaginary masses with superluminal velocities).

But on the other hand, quantum entanglement is due to non-locality, not instantaneous transmission of information. But even so, even Bloody-TSI's link points out that the thought experiment would not permit faster than light information travel. I mean, it's not faster than light travel that's the problem, it's faster than light travel that can be used to transmit useful information. Heck, if you had a giant pair of scissors, whose blades are at an angle θ(t), you could have faster than light travel of a point where the blades intersect.

Say the top blade is closing (letting your x-axis be the bottom blade) at a velocity of v_y = ?y/?t. During that time, the point of intersection will move to the right, say a distance ?x. Then the velocity of that motion is v_x = ?x/?t = ?x/(?y/v_y), which is v_y?x/(?x tanθ) which is v_y/tanθ.

So what happens as θ → 0? Well, since tanθ → 0 as θ → 0, then v_x → ∞ as θ → 0

So FTL travel isn't such a big deal. The problem is, could you use that to communicate information?

Still, you are right that there might be something missing, but at this point it is science fiction. Because even if you could transmit information faster than light, you'd still have to decode it in some other device, which would compensate for the speed of the signal (as briefly mentioned in Bloody-TSI's article).

But here is something from a physicist that has helped me on homework before that might give some insight into what is actually going on (seriously, this guy is legitimate):

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=6050386&postcount=12

In classical physics the particles have definite spin (let's say that's the quantity being measured), so the measurement obviously does not constitute any instantaneous information transfer between the detectors. Before you made the measurement, the particles had definite spin - but you didn't know what it was. You lived in a probabilistic ensemble of possible worlds that existed due to your ignorance, in each of which your particle has a different spin (and the distant particle has the opposite spin).

When you made the measurement you determined which world you were in - but as I think you understand already, even though your measurement instantly determines which state the distant particle in as well, it obviously doesn't affect it, nor can it (your measurement) be used to transmit information.

How does that change in quantum mechanics? In one crucial aspect: these other possible worlds (where the particle has different spins) actually exist. To be more precise, one can prove experimentally that it cannot be the case that the particle pair had definite spin before your measurement.

After your measurement, both classically and quantumly only one world exists (according to the Copenhagen interpretation - in many worlds there are still several worlds, but in each the observer obtained a definite measurement, and so each instance of the observer lives in a single Copenhagen-type world). What the measurement did is determine which world that is, and it doesn't affect the other particle in QM any more than it did in the classical case.

[...]

I couldn't find exactly the post I wanted. I'll just reproduce it here. We have two particles and two detectors. The particles begin in a state (01-10), where "0" means spin down along the z-axis, "1" means spin up, and in "01" the first number is particle A, and the second is particle B. We have two detectors, one near particle A and one near particle B, both of which begin in state C (C means the needle of the detector is Centered, pointing straight up).

When a detector initially in state C interacts with a particle, its needle moves left or right to indicate the spin - either U of D. So an interaction looks like

0 C ---> 0 D

According to many worlds (or just unitary quantum mechanics),

(0+1) C ---> 0 D + 1 U

The initial state, including both particles and both detectors now, is

(01-10) CC

Let's say particle A gets measured first. Then we get

01 DC - 10 UC.

As you can see, that measurement had no effect whatsoever on particle B or detector B. But if B now makes a measurement, we get

01 DU - 10 UD

So there are still two "worlds", but in either one each detector measured something definite and neither measurement affected the other. The measurement order doesn't make any difference - try doing particle B first and see for yourself. But if the order doesn't matter, clearly no information was transferred.

The above description assumed measurement is a unitary process (which everything we know about physics says it must be) - but the Copenhagen interpretation (in which measurement is non-unitary) simply asserts that only one of those two terms is really there, and the other one somehow disappears magically. I think that's nonsense, but it doesn't really change anything I just said so long as those two worlds would remain unable to interact (which is true to a very good approximation so long as the detectors are macroscopic and/or there's an environment, because of decoherence).

from this thread: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=178441

Of course, he seems to favor the many worlds interpretation, but the Copenhegan interpretation gives effectively the same result.

True... but...

http://www.seti.org.au/spacecom/quantumcom.html

Never say never....

That's pretty old I guess (1999), but they are working on things like this right now. I've heard many theories trying to overcome these kinds of communication limitations using quantum mechanics as the quantum world has some surprising properties, so you never know. :shrug: Not saying IT WILL happen, but it might.

Though this is a fantastic advance it cannot provide faster than light communication. Indeed the encrypted beam must be sent to the recieving post and decoded.

This article doesn't seem to jive with what most of what I've read on quantum entanglement says: that it is a result of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_nonlocality, not faster than light information travel.

Even so, just because instantaneous information transfer seems to be impossible (and it may not be, but it appears that no useful information can be transmitted via quantum entanglement) that doesn't mean we can't get it faster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but internet information travel is not anywhere near the speed of light yet, due to bandwidth, congestion, etc. Based on what I've read, the index of refraction for fiber optics is about 1.6, which would mean a light signal would travel at 0.625c. While very fast, there is room to get faster.

/off topic geeking out

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:52 am

Geeking out is fun.... But I do hope that it becomes reality someday, as well as deep space travel... in my life time?... (Probably only if our generation gets vastly extended lives from the wonders of modern medicine.) :yes:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:00 am

A new era of gaming is upon us.

cool story bro
but meh the worlds ending 2012 anyway mabe this why just to give us alittle tiem to play skyrim

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:44 am

you know this game isnt even out yet, right? people have different interests, and to suggest that this game is going to be perfect and appeal to everyone is flat-out absurd.

but you ARE partially right. when its released, this game SHOULD be the best console RPG to date. no doubt thats what bethesda is aiming for and its not like they dont have the time, experience, or money to reach that goal. but it will not be perfect, and future games will undoubtedly build upon it and be better for it.

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:48 pm

With the way graphics are advancing, ES VI may look like this: http://i.imgur.com/Wn97m.png

As the gap narrows, the valley deepens.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:36 am

Goodness, I've been reading on this forum about the end of the modern RPG for 9 years now and it's still being talked about. I just think things change as time goes on. I don't think it ends.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:32 am

O.o what about kingdoms of amalur? or witcher 2? or the best example to date, dungeon siege 3!?!? what does "modern" mean?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:39 pm

oh, and neverwinter is getting a revival....so..

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:22 am

oh, and neverwinter is getting a revival....so..

What?! When can I get my Baldur's Gate III, then?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:24 am

I dont play much Wii...but any Wii game beats the crap of any kinect or move game. Why? Because the Wii is not a cheap copy of something else, unlike the other two.

no offence intended, and a little off topic so i will only say this once, i had a wii and i sold it after a few weeks when i realised you could play all the games just by sitting down and flicking your wrist, i have a kinect and i love it. Even my nine year old daughter says it is way better than a wii and she loved the wii. Kinect uses full body motion control (head, legs, arms, feet, shoulders, hands, VOICE and FACE recognition and it will even track your eyebrows and lips with the update that is coming soon (avatar kinect, were you control your avatar and it does and says whatever you do) however you just use your arms to play wii and move, which is awful for 'dancing' games (i have played both wii and move extensively). Kinect is brand new original tech and when it really works with a great game (kinect sports, dance central, kinectimals) it is so far removed from the wii it is untrue, not to mention hd graphics and sound with kinect games. go play one for a few days on a variety of kinect games then play a wii and move for the same amount of time then get back to me, otherwise please don't make a throwaway comment about something that you obviously know very little about judging by your post.

On topic skyrim is gonna be amazing, it will certainly raise the bar for future rpg's very high and i can't wait! Been a huge beth fan since i discovered morrowind in 2004 but i still don't think it's the end of the modern rpg as the op puts it, if i understood him right :tes:

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:08 am

Wait, what?

The Xbox 720 is planned for 2015, but with Wii 2 being announced for 2012, that might change.

Please don't call it the Xbox 720 it is both inaccurate and annoying. Also by the way Microsoft nudged that they are developing a console as they announced that they were looking for a designer to 'Design the console of next generation of gaming'. So expect it to be soon

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:19 pm

the elder scrolls series have been the top RPGs for a very long time and they just get better!
every other franchise/series is straying away from RPGness and going for games that are action games w/ rpg elements *coughDragonAge:2cough*
the witcher 2 seems like the only other RPG that i would consider to be a REAL rpg.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:00 am

Goodness, I've been reading on this forum about the end of the modern RPG for 9 years now and it's still being talked about. I just think things change as time goes on. I don't think it ends.

Gotta go with this, things just change over time. Like evolution. Skyrim is just another part of the evolution, and after it, comes something else that will impress and "end RPGs as we know them".