Skyrim the new America? : V

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:05 pm

Could Skyrim be casting itself away from the Empire so much that we might see a revolution close to the one in U.S.A? They as well started getting very anti-imperial during their revolution. We might see a formation of a democratic system with the help of the dragonborn.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:58 pm

They want their old system back before they integrated into the Empire. This means Skyrim ruled by kings. It's Nords we're talking about, so they have a much more brutal method of revolution in contrast to the US patriots.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:12 am

No..just..no. These are nords we are talking about. Big viking like guys, not some mamby pamby democratic Imperials! Like said above, kings and all that stuff, back to a Monarchy.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:00 pm

I don't think it's quite the same thing. Nords want their country back instead of it being ruled by the Empire, where as when it came to the United States it was Europeans who settled in the area and stole the land away from the Natives who were there first, then they decided to break away from British Rule and turn the area into a new country with a new government.

So basically Nords just want the land that's rightfully their's back, and Americans wanted to create a new country on a new land instead of having the land belong to a government that had failed it's people.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:47 pm

Yeah, because only the US had a revolution and all revolutions end with democracy.

The anti-imperialist just want to be free from the Mede(?) rule. I doubt they have a game plan for afterwards, yet alone establishing a democracy. If anything, they will adopt some form of feudalism with heavy emphasis on clans.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:41 pm

The city of Windhelm is the one starting the civil war.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:53 pm

The city of Windhelm is the one starting the civil war.

That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. Well that changes how my main character will outlook this civil war...

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:50 pm

I don't think its that the Nords want a democracy instead of a monarchy...
its more like they want to replace the Mede monarchy with a mead monarchy

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:24 am

I don't think its that the Nords want a democracy instead of a monarchy...
its more like they want to replace the Mede monarchy with a mead monarchies

Fixed. The people of Skyrim are divided, based around city states than anything. Being united either requires some avatar of Shor or a really, really strong guy. Tiber was both when he came into action (well, a copy of Shezarr, but close enough).

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:40 pm

That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. Well that changes how my main character will outlook this civil war...

Bethesda kindly labeled it for us on the official map.
http://i.imgur.com/Xjcjl.png

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:28 pm

Also, the nords, as far as I know, didn't invade a country that wasn't theirs in the first place and slaughtered the native people, to bring 'civilisation' to the lands.

But I could be wrong.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:38 pm

Also, the nords, as far as I know, didn't invade a country that wasn't theirs in the first place and slaughtered the native people, to bring 'civilisation' to the lands.

But I could be wrong.

You are.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-skyrim

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:14 pm

Also, the nords, as far as I know, didn't invade a country that wasn't theirs in the first place and slaughtered the native people, to bring 'civilisation' to the lands.

But I could be wrong.

Nords willing joined the Empire, they saw Tiber Septim(Talos) as a dragon.

Also the Nords slaughtered the Falmer, to get Skyrim.

Don't hate on the Empire too much, without it the Altmer or Akavir would have kill/enslaved all of Tamriel a long time ago.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:48 pm

Also, the nords, as far as I know, didn't invade a country that wasn't theirs in the first place and slaughtered the native people, to bring 'civilisation' to the lands.

But I could be wrong.

Actually they Nords did invade a country that wasn't theirs in the first place and slaughtered the native people.
The Nords originally came from Atmora, an icy wasteland far far to the north. Then, the Nords went south to Skyrim, where the Falmer (snow elves) lived.
The Falmer eventually felt threatened and attacked. The Nords were driven out at first, but then returned with massive armies and slaughtered the Falmer civlization once and for all.

Eventually, some Nords went further south in Tamriel, and slowly became other races of men.

That's what I think I know about the Nords history.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:09 am

Yeah, because only the US had a revolution and all revolutions end with democracy.

The anti-imperialist just want to be free from the Mede(?) rule. I doubt they have a game plan for afterwards, yet alone establishing a democracy. If anything, they will adopt some form of feudalism with heavy emphasis on clans.

Russian revolution ended with communism........
Edit: sorry i didnt see the sarcasam

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:05 pm

I guess the OP is right, since the United States are the only country that was created after it broke away with a revolution. The only difference is that, unlike the USA, Skyrim isn't the only country in the world.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:25 pm

... without it the Altmer or Akavir would have kill/enslaved all of Tamriel a long time ago.

There's debate whether this is a bad thing.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:40 pm

Americans wanted to create a new country on a new land instead of having the land belong to a government that had failed it's people.

Too bad we threw that idea away.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:36 pm

Russian revolution ended with communism........
Edit: sorry i didnt see the sarcasam

It's okay, it proves the point regardless.

There's debate whether this is a bad thing.

Not for me, screw those tall pointy eared (racist) bastards.

Too bad we threw that idea away.

Easy now, that kind of talk will lead us down the wrong path. (I agree)

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:41 pm

I would not be surprised if we see some american revolution parallels just because the designers are from america. It wont be full on point due to the already known differences, but a few easter eggish things would not shock me.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:07 am

Too bad we threw that idea away.

Well all governments are prone to corruption, so you can't really blame all Americans for how hypocritical their government turned out. However I think this discussion is getting too political so I'm just going to drop it.

I guess I was wrong about the land rightfully belonging to the Nords, to be honest I don't know too much about TES lore other than the few things I picked up in Oblivion. However the difference between Skyrim and the US is still very different. I'm not articlulant enough to explain it so I'm not going to even try. All I can say is that the difference is there.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:20 pm

Sorry for such a brief post. I didn't mean full scale democratic system like America has. However like another poster said, parallels and similarities. The reason I am inclining to think that they will come up with some kind of voting system, less elitism, etc. compared to the empire is because of how the Elder Scrolls series continues to make big leaps into the future, with a 200 year gap between the end of Oblivion with the end of Empire's heir until Skyrim. So Skyrim, I believe, will have a large influence on the eventual separation of the Empire's influences(like laws and cultures) on all the provinces besides of course Cyrodill.

» Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:11 am

Yeah, because only the US had a revolution and all revolutions end with democracy.

The anti-imperialist just want to be free from the Mede(?) rule. I doubt they have a game plan for afterwards, yet alone establishing a democracy. If anything, they will adopt some form of feudalism with heavy emphasis on clans.

This and Sesame's comment. Not to mention America technically isn't a "democracy." It's just a very very young Republic. The world hasn't seen a country implement true Democracy yet. Just as we haven't seen a true form of Pure Communism rather than twists like Lenninist-Communism (In which case the state woukd be absolved.). I can see the comparison your trying to make. Problem being it's not exactly the same thing nor situation thuigh so the comparison is null. Sorry.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:27 pm

I always thought of the Imperials as the Americans of Tamriel.

» Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:37 pm

Remember, the Nords are not the ancestors of the Imperials, there were "men" on Tamriel long before they arrived