Sounds like someone is bullish on Nintendo Stock.

if you consider sales in consoles yes, but if you consider how many real gamers that own and continue to play this console, then no. Consider also that within the last year they lost almost a billion dollars, so unless they pull some kind of miracle out of their anus, they are s.o.l.

Who cares about the numbers. I'm a gamer, not a share holder.

i understand completely but you should have stuck around for Super smash bros. Brawl and some very decent mario titles.

those games are not graphically advanced , the wii U is said to have enough power to match the 360 and ps3, it wont be better, it might even be less. all nintendo is trying to do is appeal to the hardcoe nintendo audience with a system that can play the same games on the 360 and ps3, the problem isent graphics, its how the online system is going to work or how the controller is going to be involved and even how hard is it to program for the wii U. the hype for the new console is small especially since microsoft or sony could release a new console at any time.

having skyrim on the wii U though? i dont doubt it, but i would not count it coming out on launch with the system mabye after 2 years of the system, but thats my only guess

bethesda cares about the #'s thats the whole point.

I'm done here.

Which is sadly the only thing they seem to care about anymore. But that's besides the point. Wii was a misstep for real gamers. Who cares if every noob family bought one to collect dust? It was a joke system.

When you say it will be ahead of the ps3 when it comes out, the next gen ps and xbox(loop) coming out 2013-2014 will be ahead 5x of what the wii u will be. Also the main customer of a wii are casual gamers (which shows why they have more sales) which would rather play games to relax and have a good time than get into an intense game such a skyrim.

I thought this post would go toward a discussion of features with a seperate screen at your disposal, but alas...

Maybe i'll pull this thread up in a year and a half when the first Skyrim Wii U version comes out already gleaming with all the DLCs already on disc...

The reason its unlikly that it will come out is because of the hardware and software. the creation engine was created to run for the PC, 360 and the PS3, If they wanted to make the game for the wii-U they would have to configue whole engine to accept the Wii Us hardware. (Not to mention if the wii-U will have decent online that will let players download DLC) which who knows how long will take. plus the game is already out and made a Ton in sales and is going to make more with a GOTY edition and DLC for the PC, 360 and ps3 alone in the next year by then they will be on their next project, and its really hard to say if they would do that for the nintendo players.

I just saw two people write about being "real" gamers. Please, take yourselves less seriously.

You're saying that the Wii is inferior to the Nintendo 64? Motion control has ruined the game industry? No, not nearly as much as the graphic-centered approach has.




Who has lost faith in Nintendo? Shooter fans? Mario is still Mario. Metroid is still Metroid. Zelda is still Zelda. But now, I can actually control Link's sword as though I'm actually holding it.




Please define what a "real gamer" is. Only those who play Daggerfall and DnD? Only those who play Halo and Call of Duty? You do know that Angry Birds is a "real game," don't you? Regardless, there are a LOT more gamers now than there were before the Wii and iPhone came out. If you want to get into the "inferior" hardware or game design debate, I could easily argue that the only "real gamers" are those who play on the PC.




Sadly, if things continue as they have been, the games will also be 5x worse. But hey, what's wrong with relaxing games? After all, I wouldn't say Skyrim is all that intense. It's like bubble gum music. Dubble Bubble, perhaps, but still bubble gum.

i'll take this one guys

the Wii U has been anolysed at gaming sites far more informed on the subject and on the basis of its actual technical specifications and the truth of the matter is that its not possible for MS or Sony to make a console significantly more powerful than the Wii U unless they wait (for roughly 5 years) for an advancement in affordable silicon wafer technology.

they could have, if they had started at the same time, made one as powerful and they might squeeze a few extra horsepower out using more advanced gfx chip design but the truth about Nintendos new console and what is going into is that you cannot make a console substantially much more powerful in the near future unless it abandons consumer electronics level tolerances and features heat dissipation & control levels on par with a PC which is not possible in a consumer electronics form factor OR they construct it using the latest PC silicon wafer tech which would make it prohibitively expensive to produce and sell to the public as a console.

you see in order to make a modern console there is a recipe of sorts: what you do is take last generation chip designs and put them on current mainstream PC silicon wafer technology this means the thing produces much less heat (than the chips did in their original generation) and the sliicon is cheap because its current non-cutting edge for PCs and thusly the machine is more reliable, cheap and can be produced in a consumer electronics type form factor because it has much less heat to deal with.

Nintendo have done exactly this with the Wii U and as a result, as i have already mentioned, MS and Sony cannot produce a significantly more powerful console until the latest silicon wafer technology becomes mainstream and cheap enough.

this either gives Nintendo roughly a 5 year window with basically the next (traditional length of) console generation to themselves OR it means the next xbox and PS will not be significantly more powerful than a Wii U.

either way any arguments put forward about the next xbox or PS blowing Nintendos box out the water in terms of performance are simply wishful thinking. all consoles from now on will be made from off the shelf PC industry parts and will obey the basic recipe i outline above and such a mooted leap in affordable performance over and above the Wii U simply is not technically or economically viable.

none of that actually matters really. it all depends on how easily programmable it is, and how flexable it is with developers with multi-plat games. with the xbox and ps3 still out games on the wii U will match the xbox and ps3 and wont go above that.

remember how much third party devs hated to program for the ps3 on release? the same thing could happen with the wii U. not to mention a lot of third party developers havent even touched the current wii console and if they did the game is almost completely different than what they look like on the other consoles (sonic unleashed, Cod 4 etc)

people argue that exclusives will be awesome, but nintendo has the same exclusives 2-3 times a year for each title how many mario games came out this year alone? whens the last time Zelda strayed from its basic structure? (though im a huge zelda fan) exclusives sell the console, third party devs keep you playing, if devs cant develop games that people want on the wii U without completely changing their core structure on one platform the wii U will fall behind microsoft and sony.

Nintendo is scared, they dont admit it but you can tell, the 3DS never "took off" like they said it would, the wii is now known as a kids console umongst the older gamers and most third party devs barely touch the wii as it is.
They are scared that if they dont do somthing to bring them to the top again they will fall further than what they have. I have hope that at least they will be able to compete with mocrosoft and sony again

The 'real' gamers thing is funny as hell, you crack me up.

Oh lord no. The WiiU is only at about the 360's level of power. Nintendo doesn't make consoles for games like Skyrim. If it did, it'd have Crysis and the lot. But it doesn't.

I'd reserve any talk about the Wii U being closer to PC graphics, right now it's questionable if it will even be at the current X-Box 360s power or the PS3's level, (where the PS3 does have slightly better technical specs and processing power then the 360 but the 360 is a bit more powerful* for Developers)

*not to be confused with processing power.

Also the Wii shipped more units, however this is not the area where the consoles make most of their money, and it's the former unit figures people use to say the Wii won the war, but in terms of profit, the 360 seems to be the winner. For clarity sake, games licensing is the area where consoles tend to make the most money, and this is where the 360 is stronger then the wii since while there is less x-box 360s around, the average 360 user buys more games then the average Wii user. This also partly comes down to the fact that the 360 has much better 3rd party support then the Wii, with the Wii it's hard to find many good games that aren't made directly by Nintendo but on the 360 it is actually fairly easy.

Thank God it hasn't strayed! There wouldn't be nearly as many people disappointed in Skyrim or Oblivion if they hadn't strayed. Core structure is what makes a series. Improvements and "icing" are what keeps a series fresh. Nintendo learned that from Zelda II... and it actually added many elements to the gameplay. But it changed the formula... and that is a bad thing.




The Wii is the ONLY console that MANY people will ever care to touch. People may not like the idea of granny going bowling, but she won't ever touch Call of Duty. That alone is why Nintendo has the advantage over the other two. Nintendo is role-playing the "Rogue" while Sony and Microsoft are facing off in a Fighter vs. Paladin slugfest. In the end, wit overcomes strength.

the Wii U already has 3rd party support already. multiple developers announced they would fully support the console at launch including many of the Japanese development studios who are mightly pissed off at Sony (for various reasons) and are aching for an alternative platform. the 360 has practically zero indigenous market penetration in Japan and Asia. while MS and Sony were losing money on every single console sold (and probably still do) Nintendo became the 5th largest company in Japan due to sheer utter profit (people have talked since about their decent from that position but the simple fact is it was not a natural place for a games console manufacturer to be in the first place) i can pretty much assure you Nintendo are no where near as "sacred" as you think they are. this is not a company to which mediocre sales of a specific product iteration is a problem. in fact you can name many Nintendo product iterations which did not "take off" and yet...still there they are.

the console will be a player. i know that might not sound likely to current 360 and Sony "hard core gamer" [censored] but it will be.

hell, the 360 and PS3 can't even do real HD and rely on a scaling chip to scale up lower resolution 720 output and your TV is probably more technically advanced than your near decade old console.

i am not a Nintendo fan. what i am is a very old console and arcade machine collector who understands this industry very well.

You say this but the Wii was also suppose to have good 3rd party support, which never really materialized in the end. Also a lot of people are unhappy with Sony, they have been for over a decade but it doesn't stop people buying Sony in the end, the reason Sony over-toke Nintendo and Sega to begin with was the fact that the Sega Saturn and N64 were horribly designed systems, from a developer's point of view and this gave Sony an advantage to build up real 3rd party support. In my opinion the mistake of failing to support 3rd party developers is still one that Nintendo has not learned from and while now companies may say they'll support the Wii U now I suspect that come crunch time the number of companies really releasing games on the system is a lot less...

This is also the reason why the X-Box 360 has got a strong foot hold because being the developers of Windows it's not that hard to port from PC to X-Box or X-Box to PC and so developers are familiar with the techniques and tools that can be used for the system.

I just looked at the site they have for it...funny, it looks alot like a 360. Interesting ,but it still looks like one of those Nintendo things where it's mostly for kids and young teens and the Mature game selection is going to be skimpy. But that is just a guess and they may prove it wrong.

Um. No.

Skyrim on the Wii U would be good for both Nintendo and Bethesda. I wouldn't mind seeing it happen. That said, I also want Bethesda to work hard on fixing Skyrim's bugs and stability issues, particularly if they're going to release it for the Wii U.

@R3sistance

the second point about the xbox is correct but the machine is woefully out of date when compared with the current iterations of DirectX and basically 2 models behind its own original business plan (which was for concurrent Xbox & DirectX versions and virtual mirror like cross porting between console and PC)

Nintendo has always had a hard-line approach with 3rd party interaction and licensing (which they are now apparently abandoning) but that's not the main reason Sony kicked their ass virtually out the marketplace with the original PS. what really happened there is that Sony (rather famously if you study marketing) repositioned the market and shifted virtually the entire focused aim of the console market from being pointed mostly at children to being pointed at young advlts who in turn are are the demographic with the most disposable income and thus the most available money to spend on games and consoles.

the Wii was never mooted as going to have significantly more 3rd party support. it was essentially run under exactly the same hard line that Nin has been operating since the days of the SNES. it was not the case that they said it was going to and then it failed to show. they simply never said it was going to in the first place and i take issue with that point.

you also overstate the development difficulties. these are addressed and alleviated by the fact all consoles now will be built out of PC architecture and the quality of modern development kits. the reason the PS3 caused problems was because the Cell was entirely new architecture (something Sony will never do again btw) and their original development kits were [censored].

the Saturn was an overly complicated machine but in the end that's not why Sega got out the console business. Sega got out the console business via a strict business decision to make more profit by being a near pure software company which coincidentally is exactly what MS shareholders want MS to do....but that's a whole other post....just don't bet much on xbox anythings existing after steve ballmer retires....

i dont think zelda games are "improving" if anything they are lacking. whens the last time you saw magic in the zelda series? WW, and how many times have you killed gannon? lots i thought TP was Bad in comparison to what it should have been. They havent released an origional idea for zelda since WW and majoras mask. Mario is the same way releaseing the same game to get sales becuase people buy into it. an easy example is mario for DS and the new super mario bros, Both look and play exaclty the same, sure the story and lvls are different but it has the same concept, did nintendo need to release it on the wii if it was on the DS? no but they needed sales so using an old idea won for them.




but because it strayed in a new innovated fashion it set itself up to be like that, a console that people dont want to touch. Its like 3D Tvs, they're there to buy but nobody wants to deal with the glasses and blu-rays and such to even bother. Wii is the same way, to even get a decent experience on a wii nowadays you have to purchase a balance board and wii-motion plus, its complex design makes people not want to buy into it.




the third parites currently supporting the wii U are small. Titles that arent very big, like darksiders 2, a port of assassins creed etc, plus nothing is set in stone until we see these and more titles in stores. Yes the console hopfully will compete against the two, however like above, with nintendo again taking risks to create somthing new that people have to buy into its a long shot to convert alot of gamers