Cecilff2 - thanks for the tip, but from the look of it, it'd probably won't be before christmas 2012.......

In a year's time Skyrim will be measured more accurately than it is now. A game with less character development may not fair as well in the long run. Only time will tell if the designers knew what they were doing and accurately judged the needs of the buying public, or if they cut too many choices and the long play suffers.

It's funny that people keep on refering to Morrowing as if it was the last game released before Skyrim. Maybe people should start comparing Fallout 3 and New Vegas to TES games in terms of game play and story.

Why? What made TES interesting to me, is the back story and the Lore. Fallout doesn't have the same history so to me it's absolutely uncomparable.

Fallout has similar game play mechanics - Fallout 3 felt like improved Oblivion's mechanics with different lore.
You could compare the indepth of the story, and playability. People compare Skyrim to Morrowind when they are set so far apart, why not do it with newest Fallout?

If Skyrim were its own standalone game then, yes, it'd make sense to compare it to, say, Fallout over Morrowind. But it's an Elder Scrolls game, so of course it's going to be (and should be) compared to other Elder Scrolls games before games from other franchises.

No. Skyrim is the best in the series, IMO. I've been playing TES since Morrowind, and I love them all. And no, I'm not a Bethesda fanb0i - far from it, but I just love the series in general. If we could get Skyrim off of Steam, it most certainly would be the best in the series.

I know that comparing Daggerfall and Arena to Fallout 1 or 2 doesn't make much sense, but comparing the overall design of games like Oblivion and Skyrim to new Fallouts is reasonable solution.
How can you explain Fallout 3 having first person mode and third person mode, and then Skyrim changing TES third person mode to have camera over the shoulder.
While the lore changes, they are still very similar kind of games. It's like comparing two diffrent movies that and it's not even horror movie compared to love drama. It's like comparing pictures done by the same painter - the topic might have change in between but you can find similar brush strokes and improvements on placing colors.

First of all, I suppose it's possible it was added in after Fallout 3 came out but Oblivion has the same type of third person view. Just scroll your wheel and it'll zoom out of first person.

And, again, because it's part of the Elder Scrolls franchise, and not Fallout or a standalone game. People expect certain things when buying an Elder Scrolls game as opposed to a Fallout game. If Skyrim is more similar to Fallout 3 in gameplay than other Elder Scrolls games then I'm not sure how that's supposed to be a condolance to people who went in expecting an Elder Scrolls game, even ignoring that Fallout was the one that was made more similar to Elder Scrolls, not the other way around.

Heck, when Fallout 3 came out it was called Oblivion with guns. It's kinda funny that people sometimes say that Skyrim takes too much influence from Fallout 3 when Fallout 3 was the game that was made massively different from it's predecessors to be more similar to another franchise.

Morrowind added third person view, and so Oblivion had it too, then Fallout 3 started using 3rd person camera over the shoulder (and 1st person) when Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics (a failure that is responsible for changing the gameplay mechanics) had camera over the head perspective, and then Skyrim took Fallout's improved third camera over the shoulder.

Skyrim is similar to Oblivion gameplay wise, and Fallout is a game that came in between and was based on Oblivion (while I still miss the old classic, but I wont call it traditional turn base combat system).
The newest Fallout games are a success on their own, and it doesn't matter what games are they similar to (Oblivion) and what not (Fallout 2) and to what extend.

Fallout was a step forwards with mechanics for TES games. It took a part in the process, and people complaining that every game after Morrowind is poop. Morrowind happened the same way Fallout 2 did one - we can play those games, but remaking them would leave make them like Nintendo franchise - run to the ground and without the special feel to each squeal.
You can have you opinion and it's an opinion threat. Title saying Skyrim is the worst is read "I think Skyrim is the worst, do you agree?"

Yes, this IS an opinion thread. About Elder Scrolls games and how they rank relevant to eachother. Which is another reason why the similarities to Fallout 3 aren't necessarily relevant to an Elder Scrolls fan.

And as for my own personal opinion opinion on thread's topic, I already posted it:

I prefer the randomized dungeons of Daggerfall over the admitably well-made, but incredibly linear and repetitive dungeons of Skyrim. Skyrim's inhabitants are also terribly bland, but it has always been like that in TES games.

Also Fallout has nothing to do with TES. The similarities between FO3 and Oblivion are because bethesda know only 1 way of making games, plus code reuse is a general practice in developing software, so the game uses the Oblivion engine because, well why the hell would you waste precious development time?

A thread full of "yes" and "no" posts would simply get locked for spam, discussing your opinion in some detail is preferable (even if the OP feels otherwise).

Skyrim and Morrowind are my favorite Elder Scrolls games, and I really don't have any need to rank them beyond that. Daggerfall was great but I got tired of the generated world after a while, things were just too samey. Oblivion tried a ton of new things but was a bit too ambitious in this regard, with most of those features being rather roughly implemented. Although I think it was the traditional fantasy world that really lost my interest.

in a word ---- > !! NO !!


The best yet. Morrowind does have certain great points to it and some of the locations in Morrowind have a good feeling to them. Perhaps a few things from Morrowind could be good to be reintroduced into the next TES. Definitely better than Oblivion

Every "NEW" Elder Scrolls game is going to be superior in game mechanics and graphics. These are so delightful in Skyrim that many people haven't found the obvious yet- the character build is not as deep, and the NPC interaction, both with each other the the Hero, are lacking.

Skyrim is a better action adventure game than any Elder Scrolls title, but not as good a rpg.

But if people don't miss it, can't see it, and like it better, then Bethesda guessed right.

Sadly... yes.

I don't even want to argue about it anymore, appreciating a game/developer can last only this long.

Out of Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim - YES
Factions are super short, you walk in and after an hour of playing you are the leader. Oblivion had the best factions IMO and made you feel the most like a hero, but morrowind had the deepest lore and most customiseable experience. Skyrim's fighting and graphics are the best, but they are low on my list of most important things

shut the [censored] up about the consoles alredy, its a pc game.

The way it seems is that it was made for the xbox and then ported to the PS3 and the PC. A game being available on PC doesn't make it a PC game. A PC game is a game where the main target platform is the PC. A ported game is a game that has another targeted platform and is then made available on another platform, but rarely optimized, so you'll experience lagging, more bugs than necessary, lower graphics due to console limitations. The skyrim textures aren't exactly 1024x1024 or bigger, are they? Being made for console reduces system requirements drastically, since the newer computers are way more powerful than consoles.

No. I play Skyrim everyday.

You havent played Arena, have you?

As for the other part, no i'm not playing it very much, but thats because I see mto have gotten a neye infection. So ive only got a couple hundred hours in (I didnt get the game til january due to Pokemon-related shenanigans.)

No.

And yes, I do still play it. Obviously I can't play it "constantly" since I have a life and a job, but since its release it's the only game I've been playing.

Character build not as deep?

NPC interaction between each other is Superior in Skyrim than in past games, and depending on WHICH character you're trying to interact with, ranges from Superior to Terrible.

And please stop calling Skyrim an "Action Adventure" game when you obviously have no clue what either of those genres mean. Action-RPG Yes. Action-Adventure, NO.

No, it's the best IMO and I play it daily, since release.

Based upon what... my own biased opinion? If it's based upon my opinion then no it isn't as they all provide something different.

If it is based upon today's standards then I'd have to say Morrowind. Even for the time the combat is trash compared to turn based RPGs that base their combat off the same variables. Many of the guilds have 0 quests and the game doesn't deal directly with things like racism and slavery which would make the game more fleshed out.

Based upon what ti achieved I'd say Oblivion. The game was that awkward teenager stuck between being a kid and a advlt. The game was slowly transitioning from its previous title, and ultimately felt somewhat inconsistent in its approach. Combat was much smoother, but wasn't truly defined by your attributes.