Skyrim - Tolkien's world? : V - Skyrim

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:50 am

I see more Beowulf than Tolkien so far. But that's kind of the flavor they're going for.

some people say that the hobbit was influenced by beowulf, because of the similarity between smaug and the dragon beowulf kills.

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:11 am

TES has enough assloads of lore to make several games many times over, if Beth would get with the program instead of "drawing influence" from garbage like Lotr (because everyone and there Grandmother is doing it) and Conan (seriously wtf ) then we'd have something very unique and self sufficient and would be memorable because of itself, not because its "like" something else...

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:32 am

There's only a single source for all of it, the original source. Norse Mythology. There was nothing else and the old Dungeons and Dragons, Tolkien, Conan...they all borrowed and were influenced by Norse Mythology. I don't have a problem wtih it...it's a genre and one that I enjoy.

When I read the books on the shelves in Morrowind or Oblivion, I don't think "Tolkien"...I think TES. I'm a big Tolkien fan so if it was there, I think I'd see it.

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» Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:38 am

some people say that the hobbit was influenced by beowulf, because of the similarity between smaug and the dragon beowulf kills.

It may have been. But drawing inspiration isn't bad, blatantly ripping it off is though.

Especially with how mod-centric TES is, haven't you ever been playing and thought "That's cool, but this is how I'd do it", and even though it turns out notably different, that's still drawing inspiration from the source.

TES has enough assloads of lore to make several games many times over, if Beth would get with the program instead of "drawing influence" from garbage like Lotr (because everyone and there Grandmother is doing it) and Conan (seriously wtf ) then we'd have something very unique and self sufficient and would be memorable because of itself, not because its "like" something else...

I find this comment laughable, since every TES game has been grounded in a real-world anology in some form, synthesizing it with their own lore to make the unique flavor. It was overdone in Oblivion though. Playing through Solsthiem again in Morrowind, if there's one thing BGS is guilty of, (So far) it's sticking too close to their original Nord concept. I see a lot of detailed similarities between Solsthiem and screenshots from Skyrim, little things like architecture and the patterns used on things like the stone surfaces.

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:01 pm

TES was, if I heard this correctly, based on a DND game. DND was based on Tolkien, the Fahfrd and Grey Mouser Stories, Conan the Barbarian and collective memory of fantasy stories. So, the answer the that question is--yeah, but not any more so than any epic fantasy written in the last 70 or so years.

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:08 am

I find this comment laughable, since every TES game has been grounded in a real-world anology in some form, synthesizing it with their own lore to make the unique flavor. It was overdone in Oblivion though. Playing through Solsthiem again in Morrowind, if there's one thing BGS is guilty of, (So far) it's sticking too close to their original Nord concept. I see a lot of detailed similarities between Solsthiem and screenshots from Skyrim, little things like architecture and the patterns used on things like the stone surfaces.

What game doesnt draw real world influences Guy? really?

a Central Jungel where the Capital of Tamriel is lauded as a sight to be hold elaborately constructed in Webs and Wheels in wheels Pattern, where entire neiborhoods rest on Bridges truimphs any visual representation given by the Lotr -Movies- to date, THAT is what I mean by, If beth would stick to the program, Nord lore is utterly unique in its own sense but of course its going to have a base where the concept should arise, but the similarites should end there. example?

Cannabalistic Bosmer, some with the ability to become powerful beasts who's sixual practices include a ridiculous orgy in tree tops

Or Khajiit's whos species depend on the Stages of the Lunar dance

Nords shouting people blind?

Argonians who's society is centered around sentient trees who are more of a mystery themselves as well?

thats quality Lore you do not find repeated in other genres......

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:48 pm

so tolkien is the guy that created the lord of the rings movie?

Somewhere, Tolkien was just reborn and died again.

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:29 am

I liked the books and some of the lore, I dont want a carbon copy but some influence isnt a bad thing to have.

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:22 am

The Elder Scrolls series, like many fantasy franchises, is well known for being heavily influenced by Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings, but is Skyrim the most Tolkien-esque game yet?

Aside from the obvious stuff like dragons, giant spiders, etc. many people have commented on how the world reminds them either of Tolkien's work or the LOTR films.

A few examples:
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1589/skyrim01.jpg
http://static.zenimax.com/bethblog/upload/2011/02/vlcsnap-2011-02-24-11h23m58s200.jpg
http://www.godisageek.com/wp-content/gallery/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/skyrim-screenshots-dragon-mountains.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9KPQdIXDthk/TVf6PZQ5U4I/AAAAAAAAAN4/bgneer-6Sdo/s1600/8.jpg

A lot of the concept artwork we've seen glimpses of in videos shows even stronger similarities, and there's areas we haven't seen yet like the glacial regions of the map, which immediately make me think of the http://img-fan.theonering.net/~rolozo/images/nasmith/new/TN-Fingolfin_Leads_the_Host_Across_the_Helcaraxe.jpg in Tolkien's work, or the rocky / volcanic tundra regions which make me think of the lands surrounding Mordor.

As a huge Tolkien fan, i'm loving the similarities. Anyone else agree?

I agree with you its the classic midevil world and influince that makes an RPG amazing, with every TES game having that except ffrom Redguard and Morrowind. Arena, Daggerfall, Oblivion, and Skyrim all had tolkien type similarites but with TES's own lore, races, factions and guilds, daedra, and some alien places makes it the best RPG series evar! :celebration:

» Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:33 am

Tolkien's greatest strength was worldbuilding: He spent years laying the foundations for the world in which LOTR was set before the books were published. The depth and breadth of his creation was much better represented in the books than in the movies - he peppered his story with hints of people and places and legends that went far beyond the saga he was relating in his three all-to-short (by his own admission) books.

In much the same way, the lore of the Elderscrolls world goes far beyond what we are able to see in the few games we have been graced with. As with Tolkien, hints of a larger world abound.