But can you reverse it and have the same date occur.

I'm almost certain that its 11-11-11 because its a cool date and easy to remember.


On the other hand, I would die and go to nerd heaven if the tackled the Enantiomorph, Shor and Alduin, head on.

Skyshadowdog: you call it clever, I call it having no life. I quoted that form memory (though I checked TIL before hitting submit)

Yes. The signs. Totally forgot them. Crap. - Dagon

I'm almost positive 11 has significance. Lady N think you can help me brush up on my lore knowledge and send me a few links to help me help yall speculate?

As I said, I'm almost positive its just a cool date.

If you do want to know the numerological significance of 1 and 11, check the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-thirty-six-lessons-vivec and the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/vehks-teaching.

Hi, pleasantly sea-green colored Bethesda Softworks employee :wave: Feel free to pitch in

I was referring to them as being clever.

I highly doubt Bethesda choose that specific date without some sort of significance.

Sermon 11 is titled in Sermon 29 as "The Number of the Master". There are Eleven orders within the Psijic Order (see Guide to the Psijic Order)

thanks lady N I'll get back if i find anything I think is significant.

It has marketing significance. They knew they were going to release the game in Q4 2011 (so as to get in on the holiday shipping rush), and 11-11-11 is easy to memorize. Everyone will remember to go out and buy TES on such a recognizable date. We can read lore significance into it, but I doubt Pete et al. consulted their lore guys to determine when to release.

I've searched Eleven on TIL.

The Eleven forces of Change, referenced in The Monomyth.
Ralliballah's Eleven Ritual Forms, Liminal Bridges.
Also, how could we forget the 911th Cow, who turned out to be Mor, in Fight Six of The Aldudagga.

Oh, I doubt they choose that specific date for the 11 significance, but I wouldn't be surprised if they said "let's aim for this area. Wait, we have some significance in 11. Let's choose that one."

1 out of 1,925,498,984,561 guesses that will be me.

Don't know if ya'll know or not, but the website is up now. So far all I see is the trailer, but maybe there's more?
http://www.elderscrolls.com/

There is. When you click on the background it lets you scroll around the stella I'll see if theres anything to uncover now that we have a steady image.

Hi, goldenrod-colored Bethesda Game Studios employee! Do provide your opinions

A look at the mural, what do I see:

1. A really big flippin' dragon in the center.

2. Two men, who like like their using Thu'um, fighting/containing the big dragon

3. One old man in robes, arms raised. Now, this guy kinda reminds me of one of the heads of Akatosh in the chapels of the Nine Divines. Also, the man seems to be...."coming" from the big dragon. Perhaps a false prophet? Who knows.

4. To the left of the big dragon, I see two things, possibly refering to past games. I see what seems to be Numidium, though it is more likely Akhulakhan, and a Oblivion Gate topped with a tower.

5. Below those two I see a standard dragon going toe-to-toe with Novak'leen, with three large warriors behind him. One of which (the rear one) is a woman.

Breakdown of the stella:

Central figure has something on the palm of his left hand. Maybe an eye? The left hand is a symbol of power in lore. I assume he is a graybeard.
The left figure is actually a mage. He holds a staff and is casting a spell.
The right figure has some sort of pole arm and a lot of tentacle hair things coming out from all over the place.

Thats definitely Akulakhan in the top-right. Next to it is both an Oblivion gate and a citadel tower above it.

There are three people, two male and one female, line up to the left of the Dragonborn, dressed in the same armor as he.
Above the Dragonborn's helm is a strange symbol. Flat at the bottom, with two curved hands coming out and a three-pronged shape in between.

New hypothesis: return of Lorkhan. Everything has been building up to this.

Bethesda employees, since you're obviously monitoring this, there's only one request I have, and that's for the music in the trailer.

It is epic beyond compare. I weep when I hear it (or at least I did).

May I beg you to release it so we can grace our ears with it?

If you look at the image left to the oblivion gate at the site it looks like the Dagoth Ur reconstruct of lorkhan at red mountain in morrowind.http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:MW-place-Akulakhan.jpg

EDIT:Ninja'd by Lady N.

There's a giant to the left of the Oblivion gate, looks like Akulakhan or the Numidium. I hope they aren't doing the giant robot thing AGAIN. It's been done a few times too many in the series.

Edit: Ninja'd

You can zoom on the mural by pressing F11. Found that out

I was thinking a bit in that line as well. The moon's dissolving, Lorkhan's heart being freed, ect. Perhaps you're correct in that the developers may decide to tackle the mirror-image issues between Lorkhan and Akatosh/Shor and Alduin.

At the very bottom left corner, standing right of the horse is something that looks like a half-Tsaesci half-man. The head has hair, but there is something bestial about its posture and mouth.

They started to in the Shivering Isles, actually, and did it pretty well (until the final cutscene speech).

There may likely be some giant robot:

Daggerfall - Numidium

Morrowind - Akulakhan

Oblivion - Sigil Crawler

Fallout 3 - Liberty Prime

Akulakhan is likely just a reference to prior events, like the Oblivion gate is.

Those are not mustaches, but flames coming out of the mouth of the "Dragon Born".

As for what I have seen in the trailer, I can see that the central man is the dragon lord who is sending the dragons out to kill people, and in the last scene we can see that people are dead and made into burning skeletons, but the "Dragon Born" is immune with a shield held in front of him, and flames coming out of his mouth.

A few scenes before that we could see Nords battling Imperials or Akaviri.

So as I have hoped we have to fight dragons, and I hope in the middle of the game, we find out that maybe *we* are the predicted dragon born, like in Morrowind, and I hope again just like Morrowind, there is an element of uncertainty for the fact if we really are the one.

Yes yes yes!