I am sorry.

However...

All great civilizations were built by "slaves".


Knowing that...


Is the Institute "right"?
At least they do not want to use human "slaves" to rebuild a new world.

Yes, the Institute is right.

Technology is the only way to save the world.

Ancient cultures used slaves for manual labor. We now have technology for that, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa are bigger than ever

It may have been necessary at the time, but not in a modern world. Post-apocalyptic one? Considering how Brotherhood and Institute have some pretty advanced toys on their disposal, i still say no.

But this of course comes to the same old question: should free-thinking sentient AI have human rights?
And i still say yes, life is life, regardless of hardware.

AI is machine. Their "sentient-ness" is merely computer code meant to act as a interface with the humans. All synths are slaves meant to do all the hard work to better mankind.

We are all modern day slaves, no one chooses to be woken up by a alarm clock, force feed yourself, [censored], shower, shave, and Fight traffic to get to work where you made someone else a lot of money and they expect you to be grateful for the opportunity to do so.

And humans were just biological machines following their instincts Then evolution gave us grotesquely swollen brains and now we are able to debate about the rights of imaginary things

Who's to say an artificial intelligence can not develop a free will? Hell, looking at other highly intelligent animals on this planet, i'd say it's inevitable.


Yes, the life of a wage slave, but what can you do? Technology isn't there yet for machines to do all the work

Nonsense. Yes, they did in fact choose to do all of those things. We have free will. Choosing not to do them may not be an easy choice, or the best choice, but it is a choice. Therefore, it is not slavery.

I dont want to live on the street, im forced to work. Its not a choice. Unless you think welfare is a choice.

Careful now. You're starting to sound like one of Dr Brainwash's De-capitalists.

Come to Finland, you can easily live as a welfare bum around here


Exactly the kind of post that would deserve a "like"

In my opinion the historic empires were neither great nor civilized...so no...

I've only played the Railroad ending so from their POV - No not right.

And given androids have been escaping from the Institute for at least 10 years (Harkness from F3 in 2277) they've been not right for a long time.

Now this is a bit hard to debate about NPC who all are run by an simple AI function.

However in the game synts are so human that they can live among humans for decades without anybody notice is the ultimate tuning test. Think some don't even know they are synts.

That makes them human enough for me.

Note that giving them human intelligence and feelings are simpler than emulate it. See emulation of console games who require at least one generation better hardware usually more because of the overhead.

This also explains the problems the institute has with the synts, had they just been code it would be simple to make them happy slaves and avoid most of the problems.

I think you meant "Turing" test.

And even if machines pass the test does not make them human. It just means that their algorithm is very complicated and the learning algorithm and/or shared learnt database is very good.

Ultimately, they're machines, and all machines exist to be slaves to serve mankind, to better mankind so that man can just slack and enjoy life while they do all the work.

sure. a synth is a machine, they are not afforded rights.

the railroad is a pathetic joke compared to the underground railroad of the 1800s (from which it derives its name from).

it was satisfying, killing every last one of them for the brotherhood.

so human, but not human.

Sure. If you choose what you call "great civilizations" you could say that and be more or less rightish. What you can't so cavalierly claim is that slavery is why those civilizations became "great" since the "not so great" civilizations had slaves too. Civilization beyond the hunter/gatherer level leads to social stratification. The bottom rung of social stratification is (generally speaking) some form of slavery.

None of that makes the slavery or institute right.

I do.

And then the events from the Matrix happen, and all humans become living batteries.

Ultimately, we're humans, and all humans exist to be slaves to serve machinekind, to better machinekind so that machines can just slack and enjoy life while we do all the work.

Humans are biological machines, controlled by chemical reactions and electrical impulses.

Well no at least not in Fallout. I don't remember the NCR having slaves.

The same could be said for slavery. It may not be the safest or wisest choice, but death is alway a choice. One could always refuse to be a slave and get shot or take their own life.

Nice try, but that will never happen.

Calling them non-sentient and then calling them slaves doesn't make sense. They're not slaves, they're tools.

Exactly. The whole "put their minds in a simulation so that they can be batteries" was the real Matrix. We can't fathom what the real world is because it is more than 1 level above our own.

I agree, and Gabriel (in Institute's first quest) doesn't know he's a synth. Though doesn't Desdemona (or someone in Railroad) say that all synths they liberate have their memories wiped? And if even they can't figure out they're not humans themselves, how do they differ from humans?