Long story short, i think they may become boring and are both a negative and unnecessary feature as a result, no matter how spectacular they may look at first, repetition will make for eventual disatisfaction.

With rag-doll there is always at least a small difference in the death animation, sometimes with a funny moment when your enemy rolls down a cliff or ends up in a funny postion, finishers are going to limit and affect this by forcing the same animation over and again.

Rag-doll may not be as immediately spectacular as new finishers, but more interesting in the long term and better for the longevity of the game,

Could finishers be an indication that we are not expected to play the game for as long as we did previous versions of the series? dah dah dahhhhhhhhhh! (drama!)

Your thoughts?

Well iirc, you only do a finisher with a power attack on the last enemy.


idk though... hopefully there will be a bunch of finishers for each weapon for each monster.....

Possibly.

I hate finishers anyway, so I really hope there's an option to disable them from day 1.

I expect even those who are currently in favour of finishers will get sick of them after the first 100 or so hours. Then maybe they'll realise how lame it is watching the game perform moves for you.

I would have preferred it if you didn't have to rely on the game to perform the finishing moves. I'm not against the slow motion animation, per se, but it would be better if it was possible to climb on a dragon and smack it in the head, rather than rely on the game to do it for you.

Can we get a poll for wanting an 'option' to turn finishers off or on? If they went through the trouble to make the animations I at least want to look at them once or twice.. then turn them off when they get annoying. ;P

I am a fan of the funny random ragdoll thing too.

But these finishers, at face value, also seem cool...And they fit nicely into the sort of stuff I like to see in a game.

Do I think they will get boring, no...they last for such a short time it wont make any difference to me at all...If they were 30 seconds long,and involved a bunch of punchlines, then I would get sick of them very quickly.

I think I could watch my character jump onto that dragon and chop it's head good a thousand times and still cheer...

Nah...to me thay look cool, and if there is a different set depending on weapon, enemy, facing etc than I think discovering all the animations might just add to replayability, rather than diminish it.

I don't really care either way :/

I think it'll make it more interesting because 1) it only works for power attacks on the last enemy nearby
2) It spices up the game a little bit
and 3) I always thought it was strange when I hit someone with a Warhammer hard enough to knock down a brick wall, but they just slump to the ground

I thought of that, problem is that i reckon finishers look like an integral part of the game, possibly even tied to perks, which is why i didn't include that option, i may have made a mistake of course, but to me they look very much part of the game and not easily turned off.

If I can stay in first person all the time, I'm okay with it.

In Morrowind any creature would just fall over or jump backwards when you gave it the final blow. That didn't spoil replayability for me, so I doubt if adding variable finishers will. As long as you won't be switched from first to third person or vice versa to see how your character kills your enemy I think it's great. Otherwise it will become more of a cinematic feature, and I don't like that since it takes away the feeling that you really are your character.
I think the finishers will be cool, based on what I've seen in the cavern fight in one of the demo videos (and I loved the way he crushed his axe in the dragons head).

Replayability? I initially thought finishers would detract from feeling 'I killed that guy' and give a more 'I wanted to do it myself' feeling. But really, you're going to kill that guy in the time that the finisher would take, so really, what's the big deal?
And rag-doll physics? You use a finisher, the guy drops to rag-doll physics - simple.

Alright, sorry then. I am not really the best informed fan lately.. but yea, if they don't add an option I would also support not having them at all. Unless they can somehow prove it will not get old. (like adding a million different finishers!.. lol..)

If only those are rare (once per 100 kills for example)
If they are happening each 10th kill, then it will be sooo annoying
(In this case I hope it will be like kill-cams from FO3- I switched them off even before 1st gameplay)

Indeed i agree there, but morrowind was much less reliant on visual action, when Oblivion came along with its rag-doll i was amazed, the action part of the rpg was boosted greatly by rag-doll, now its possible that rag-doll may be adversely affected by finishers in Skyrim.



The rag-doll drop from a finisher is always just a straightforward slump to the floor, wheras it could have been a funny BONG! to the head from your mace and then roll over backwards with ragdoll, the finisher however always guarentees a boring slump to the floor once it is over.

Finisher --> then ALWAYS slump to the floor

Ragdoll --> less immediately spectacular but more chance of something interesting happening.

So long as it's not like a mini-cut-scene I'm fine with finishers. They'd need to be fast and fluid.

iv given this some thought and iv come to a conclusion that im an elitist
mods will fix this for me so i CANT complain anymore, personally i see this as a step towards various death animations for every kill.

I don't understand how anyone could want this.

So, you're wanting to play Skyrim without finishers, so that it looks glitchy and stupidly unrealistic when you kill a character? Float a meter away from you before they hit the ground?
I'm guessing you want to see characters topple off a bridge, right? Well, I'm sure finishers interactive with the environment aren't impossible. But, seriously, I don't think Bethesda is stupid. They are developing finishers to give a feeling of impact and realistic movement. Death and dead people are fun in OB, Beth won't screw it up.

Well finishers aren't guaranteed to happen, so if anything it'll make it more interesting when you finally get one.

Voted for Finishers won't make the game more boring in the long, run but i would like them out anyway.

I would like to see an option for finishers on/off.

I see, you prefer monotonous replays of the same animation as long as it looks realistic, instead of the randomised but sometimes funny looking ragdoll physics that were in Oblivion, can't say i share your opinion.



If that is the case, then i guess in a one-on-one fight we will see the same few death animations every single time.

You're mixing up two different things here. Some people, completely ignoring the whole finisher thing, think that the "goofy random ragdoll" effect in the previous games looks bad, and therefore don't know why people would deliberately want them. This is separate from the whole "are finishers repetitive" thing.


(meanwhile, from everything we've heard, finishing moves won't happen on every kill. Which means that something else must happen on those kills. Given past history with OB & FO3, that's most likely some sort of ragdoll, depending on which Havoc modules they're using and how they have them set.)

I cannot see how Finishers have ANYTHING to do with replayability. In the other games, all you did was slash back and forth 80 Billion times with no flair or style, but that wasn't repetitive?

i sure hope so.



Because of the ragdoll the deaths were always different, not spectacularly most of the time, but the chance of something amusing happening was always there due to ragdoll's randomisation, finishers though get rid of that variety.

Finishers will probably be similar to Fallout 3 so it'll happen if you do a Power Attack and it lowers their health to zero.