Oh my god how hard is this to understand? In Morrowind they were over-powered. That does not mean they will be over-powered in every game they appear in!

A bladed boomerang would be awesome. That would be the essential quick-ranged weapon of any thief/ assassin player! :ninja:

How hard is it to understand? It doesn't matter what game it is, they will still be overpowered. You have to realize that a stabbing motion puts the spear in between the enemy and you. So it effectively keeps the person away from you forever. With a your attacks between you and your enemy at all time, not allowing for counter attacks, that's overpowered. I don't see what is wrong with having "spears" return but instead of stabbing you swing. What is so wrong about that? Spears are hideous for the most part with a few exceptions and polearms look better. You get your "spears" and everyone else gets balance. If you really still have a problem with no spears when you have weapons that are basically spears and look better then it comes down to you wanting the overpowered stabbing.

This.

yeah but the problem is how are slings going to damage heavy armored people?

If you tried to attack me with a spear I can tell you for sure that I can get past you. Spears don't make you invincible.

Umm, ok, the NPC side steps. You turn back toward them. The same situation is back into play. Sorry, the only reason anyone wants spears over polearms is because they remember being gods in Morrowind with them. That's why so many people want levitation back and enchant stacking back. If you really don't like that polearms, which are basically spears but without stabbing then please stop complaining because BGS compromised with you and you still can't be happy until your overpowered again, which they are not just going to let happen consciously.

Then take your own advice and stop bringing it up.

Back to the topic everyone please.

Sure, slings could be fun. I would probably use them but It will not hurt my feelings if they aren't there.

Thats was in morrowind combination of realtime combat and dice rolls doesn't work properly, try play moded oblivion with spears enemies actually use they shields and parry with weapons bob and weave when needed, but skills still govern combat not only player reaction, in Skyrim developers build even more dynamic combat why not implement simple features like shield block parry and low durability of spears?
If spear is so powerful let enemies it use against player with better way.
Before spears was unpopular they was not have popculture reference, but now the are much more popular just like katanas, bring spears back to peoples they want have fun with them.
From other side staggering still in present in vanila oblivion and it still overpowered, I can make the same things from your video almost with all weapons in vanila oblivion even with shield so let remove all weapons or better balance thats staggering? I prefer the second.
You say polearms look almost the same except polearms tend to look better and they swing instead of stab, but thats also can mean thats all two handers use the same animations like in oblivion, even more reducing then in oblivion?
You say they remove old armor system because of fear enchanting suits, but they are crash enchanting system they make constant enchanting common (chameleon suit in oblivion even more common and ease reachable then in morrowind) they make easy recharge of enchanted items they make it lowcost and without failures, I believe thats not proper way to fix something by breaking it completely and break another thing also.
Alchemy was balanced in oblivion but enchanting was broken, now enchanting returns how it will be implemented?
Alchemy has way to make chain reactions when player create potion of fortify intelligence and alchemy drink it make another one but more powerful then previous and again and again after then create godly potion of legal TGM, thats was fixed in oblivion by cap of number of drinked potions and remove intelligence from calculations of potion power, but also removed an good thing unknown of spell effect in ingredient.
OK lets use caps like for new Enchanting system was done for spell effect in enchanting for people thats don't have enough willpower, thats even better because make artifacts more unique, they can have enchanting above caps and forbidden for custom enchanting spell effects, but not make all enchanting system based on presets like Sigil Stones.

About "bladed boomerangs" throwing weapon will be awesome to see again, when Todd say thats only bows will be in Oblivion thats was horrible, still he forgot about staffs thats become magical guns, but he say thats was difficult to implement other marksman weapons and better to concentrate at bows, but in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzOsBAPoWQE is that difficult to be done was by developers?
Now Deadly Reflex and Unnecessary Violence make it even better, you can thrown all weapons not need different class of weapons but some of weapon are better suit for throwing, weapons stick in wood and bounce from stone, marksman and agility govern it and train from them is thats will be hard to be done when you have full accesses to engine?

Fustibalis as I remember. I made one myself. Not a very good one, but I've really sent stuff flying before. These kinds of weapons take a lot of practice if you want any accuracy though.



The type of boomerangs that are used in combat don't return to you. So you shouldn't worry about losing a finger.



Actually, slings are quite powerful. They survived as a viable weapon alongside bows as a war weapon for hundreds of years. Its just that they were generally the weapon of the poor, so they kind of escape notice. There were also other factors; bows also were able to receive lots of 'updates' which increased range and power, while slings largely stayed the same, and armor also became more widely available to the common soldier, which tempered the sling's effectiveness. That said, slings dominated siege warfare in the form of the Trebuchet during the Middle Ages (the Fustibalis mentioned above was a man-powered version, as opposed to the counter-weight system used by trebuchets).

Since arrows are expensive, slings could be the first marksman weapon we get... Multiple versions could be made, with better efficientcy(damage).

How didn't I though about it?

I'm all for thowing weapons. If boomerangs were done like that, instead of Sokka's that always came back that would be fine.

They can kill people, I didn't dispute that. I said that they have a lot less lethal potential against enemies than other viable ranged weapons. Stick a ball bearing in a sling, you have a dangerous weapon but it can be hard to be lethal sometimes. Trebuchet's are a large scale sling yes, turned into a very dangerous seige weapon.



To be fair, I haven't been bringing them back up, they keep being brought up even after you posted. I just rebut. I won't respond to them anymore when they talk about spears.

Yea, sling are quite powerfull.

The rocks use the G-force generate from sling, in addition to theire weight... And the speed the sling is spined.

Suddenly I'm taken back to the attempts at modded spinning weapons in Morrowind days and the Crossbow attempts for Oblivion. And all the headaches that followed suit.

Of course. More variety is always nice.

Also a sling could have a nice chance to knock out people if thrown at the head.

Wait, I don't understand why you need slings because there are giants. Is this a reference to something?

Thow in an atlatl for the mammoths too....

Biblical story, a very odd biblical story <_<

Thanks, I had no idea what it meant, I'm not familiar with biblical stories.

No thats reason why you Don't want to see spears ingame, spears was not so popular just like you say to be used only like munchkins weapon
Spears must be ingame by different reason look here what you see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CLcNe0yao
http://elderscrolls.net/img/comics/redguard/p24.jpg
What warrior have in hands?
http://images.uesp.net//8/89/DF-Hircine.gif
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Spear_of_Bitter_Mercy
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Spear_of_the_Hunter
http://www.imperial-library.info/search/node/Muatra
Spears part of Lore they cant just cuted out
Spears was one of mass produced weapons in medieval and created at early stage human civilization they are symbol of hunters, spear was even more common then swords, and start loose actuality only when firepower weapons become more powerful
Levitation also need to be done it also mentioned in Lore, was in most of previous games, It need to be better implemented, limitations for altitude, constant Magicka drain, need to concentrate when levitate and be shooed down by enemies when loose concentration, and most useful make NPC actually use magic, enemy mage can be much more interesting in combat if he can levitate at last like lich in oblivion and strafe backward without limitation, NPC can reach player in high places by levitation not stay down and wait when player shoot them.
Levitation even can be implemented with new magic system combine it with feather slowfall waterwalking add nice spell effect like dragon or bird wings or wind tremble at clothes and awesome spell will be created.
Flying in sky is one of fantasy things thats people always want, ok oblivion was divided by cells speed tree looks horrible from high but Skyrim has new engine and new trees is there still problem in implementation of levitation? If some one say thats levitation will ruin dungeons but there can still trigger zones of limit of levitation like in Tribunal, levitation can be limited in dungeons with no ability to fly high, there can still limit altitude in levitation spell.
There different ways make levitation good, not cut it out fix it.

Pretty sure Rohugh said stop talking about spears in this thread. If you want to discuss spears, make the 50,000th thread about them to discuss them. BGS compromised and gave you spears you have to swing instead of stab, I don't see the problem.

OK I will do it, and they gave us polearms like bardiche and Naginata swing not commonly associated with spears move, at last maybe different animation will be done.

Atlatls are okay (lever for the win?) but if we're tossing more obscure weapons into the mix, my vote would go for bolas and perhaps chakram if someone made a good argument for it. Bolas would be absolutely wicked, though.