i wanted to use some slower levelling mod, i guess this one is the best? (http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=97)

but my question is: do you know how much my xp will be lowered? in description it says:

Very Slow ----------- iXPbumpbase 375
Slower -------------- iXPbumpbase 300
Slow ---------------- iXPbumpbase 225
normal game ------ iXPbumpbase 150

but what is normal ? normal with normal difficulty or hard or very hard or easy ?

what i really want is to play on very hard and have xp gain as if i was playing on easy. i don't want to gimp myself completely but i also don't want to be lvl 20 quickly.

also, do you know if this mod is still compatible with all DLC ? it was created in 2008 and i want to play with all DLC ....

Mm, I think the difficulty changes how much experience you recieve, while that mod (assuming it is the same as FWE's) changes how much experience you need to gain a level. So, "Slower" (iXPbumpbase 300) would mean that it takes twice as much experience to gain a level than "normal game" (iXPbumpbase 150). ^_^

I guess "Slowest" would be the closest to what you said, but you would really want a 450 option - but I don't think anyone has been sadistic enough to make a mod for that. o.o

Edit: Mm, it isn't going to conflict with anything, it just changes a variable.

i don't want to be total hardcoe, i just want to hit lvl 30 cap at the end of the game, or close to the end, not sooner.

i rather do most of the side-quest, so which option would be best for me? slowest - 450 seems to be for hardcoe and i only don't want to end up with lvl 30 char in the middle of game, that's all.

i was thinking about 225 option and very hard difficulty (maybe i will tone it down to hard if it will be too hard..) so which option should suit me the best?

P.S. what is this FWE mod? can you give me the link?

It is the giant thread, just below this one. ^_^

Oh, and I only mentioned 450 because "Easy" is 50% experience, and "Very Hard" is 150%, so three times 'normal' would match that.

Well actually that mod is far from "the best" . . . changing the iXPbumpbase is NOT the best way to slow down leveling as it can cause major compatibility problems . . . such as being totally incompatible with Broken Steel.

I'd recommend my own http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=7674, not just because I created, but because it is simple, and totally compatible with all the DLC (and nearly every other mod), and it can be added and removed from any ongoing game, without causing any problems.

There are two esps in the archive . . . just activate the one that is closer to the leveling speed you want. And you can switch between them at any time,if you're not happy with how fast you are leveling.

* The differences between the two esps:
- Regular version (Arwen_XPR.esp): reduces XPR for killing by 75%, and reduces XPR for most other achievements by 25-50%.
- Extreme version (Arwen_XPR_Extreme.esp): reduces XPR for killing by 80%, and reduces XPR for most other achievements by 40-60%
- The differences between my two versions may not seem like much, but I've been using the extreme version in my own game for a while, and gaining experience points is noticeably slower.
- As a test ... I played the game for nearly an hour with each esp (with virtually identical gameplay, each starting at the beginning of Level 2.
Using the Arwen_XPR.esp: I gained 169 XP (31% of what I needed to reach Level 3).
Using the Arwen_XPR_Extreme.esp: I gained only 104 XP (19% of what I needed to reach Level 3).

If you need even slower leveling, you can also add my Reduced Quest XPR Module, which part of my http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1088693-relz-arwens-realism-tweaks-thread-no7/, but is a totally independent esp.

i understand, but what do you think would be best if i just don't want to hit the cap too soon ? (but on the other hand, i don't want to finish the game with lvl15... i want to be close to 30)

your mod seems great, but 75% is a little hardcoe i would say ? is it possible to make it like 33% less ? or 50%

NOT TRUE!!! I have been using that "far from the best" mod for about 9 months now with ZERO problems!!! I have been all over the map, done nearly every quest, and done EVERY DLC WITHOUT PROBLEMS.

I understand why you would want to promote your own mod and that's is fine, but to "slap in the face" the work of someone else isn't right. I've tried using your mod and didn't like it, just not my taste. But I don't go around the forums saying it's a horrible mod, because it's not, Just like the Slower Levelling mod isn't as you say " far from the best".



@ OP:I have been using this mod for about nine months now (very slow version) on very hard most of the time , with MMM increased spawns (I have three followers stealing XP ) Currently am at level 17, nearing the take it back quest, with Point Lookout, and Mothership Zeta still to go.
Just so you know, In addition to Arwens mod, there is also http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10597, Which I have Dl'd and installed with FOMM but not yet acitivated until I start a new game.

It's all about choice/preference. try one, try them all and see which one you like best.

Most people like the leveling speed of my regular reduced xpr. I'm not making a faster leveling up version, as very few people would want it and it would take me hours to do.

Why don't you try it for yourself? If you don't like it, just uninstall it. My mod won't break your game.

Sorry, but what I wrote is true. Many people have had major problems using leveling mods that alter the iXPbumpbase values. Just go the that mod's thread and read some of the comments there. I made my Reduced XPR mod for me after I had problems with a reduced leveling mod that worked by altering the iXPbumpbase values . . . which I had been promoting on my FO3 mod list. I made my mod available to give people an alternative, when there weren't many slower leveling choices, If they want to use mine, that's great . . . but if they want to use someone else's, that's fine with me, and it really doesn't matter to me at all.

Warning about a problem that a mod has been known to cause is NOT bashing a mod . . . it is being a responsible member of a forum.

thanks, i was actually looking for answer like this. lvl17 and near the end, even with increased spawns? seems a little TOO hardcoe for me. but it's very slow version, i think i will use first one (slow -225)
but i'm wondering will it break lvls 20+, as i guess this is what Arwen was talking about. if only lvls 1-20 were tweaked , then what happens if you hit 20+ ? the vanilla limit is probably much lower and you will instantly hit like lvl 27 for example? i don't know game mechanic, but it seems it can be broken after lvl20....


Arwen - can you tell me at which lvl you usually end up after finishing the game with your mod? (less hardcoe version)

So you haven't at this point cracked Level 20 yet using the Slower Leveling mod? The reason I ask is that I'm currently using that same mod (slower leveling on Hard difficulty), and Arwen's claim that it breaks Broken Steel has gotten my attention, to say the least. And until you can say you've used a character who has gotten above Level 20 with that mod, or completed any Broken Steel quests, you haven't really refuted her claim, IMO.

I'm not trying to pick on anyone or start a fight here. I'm on my first PC playthrough, and I've only been using mods for a couple of weeks and am still learning how they work and what kind of effects (intended and unintended) they can have on the game. My character's still a low enough level (5 going on 6) to where I have some time to undo any ill effects the Slower Leveling mod may cause down the road. And I note that it was released before Broken Steel was released, so it's likely (and completely understandable) that the mod's author wrote it for the vanilla game without taking into account any effects it might have if the level cap were raised at some point down the road.

So all I'm looking for is some information, or definite proof that this mod is compatible with Broken Steel. I like Slower Leveling myself and will continue to use it if I can, but if it's going to eventually cause problems, I need to uninstall it and try something else.

I've never finished the game . . . how do you know when it is over? I complete the Main Quest, but that was before I created my mods.
Also I've only used the extreme version, since that was what I created for myself . . . and I'm also using my Reduced Quest XPR Module, which really slows down the leveling up process (for instance I no longer instantly level up on exiting Vault 101).

Plus it really depend on how you play the game, as a person who focuses on killing will always level up faster than someone who avoids killing.

If you would have read my entire post you would know that i have been using it for nine months and have done every DLC without problems, just not yet on THIS playthrough.


@Arwen: I read through that thread and what I gather is that most of the problems (a few) were due to other mods that either increase the level cap or other levelling mods. another problem I recognized was a level up freeze which was a known issue with FOOK2, That was fixed with a patch and the person who posted that had FOOK in their load order.

It may not be "the best one" but it is certainly far from the worst, and it does work with Broken Steel I have done it many times. I have however noticed that if you disable it in order to level up then re enable it on the same playthrough levelling may cease. Maybe a small problem, but installing a mod like this then disabling then re enabling it kind of defeats the purpose of installing it in the first place.

i just want a mod that will slighty decrease the xp i get, so when i play on very hard i will get normal xp, that's it.... and that will be compatibile with BS. nothing like that out there? 75% is overkill, i'm not going to play this game that long to hit 30 with this mod

barrettsfloyd - have you ever reached lvl20+ on any of your playthroughs with slower levelling mod?

YES. also, If you haven't seen it yet (read my previous post for link) there is the mod Experience Control( haven't used it yet as I'm waiting to start a new game for that) If it works the way I hope I may stop using Slower Levelling entirely.


@ OP: Found the thread for http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1075590-relz-experience-control/page__hl__experience%20control. I also forgot if i'm not mistaken, FWE (Fallout Wanderers Edition) also contains A way to slow down your levelling. Just trying to give you more options.

I use experience control. It's accurate in reducing and increasing experience gained from all sources and it has a lot of options you can configure or you can just use a basic percentage slider if you want. I was able to slow down my leveling when I realized I was leveling a little too fast with no problems.

so if i play on very hard difficulty which gives bonus of 150% (125% hard, 100% is normal, 75% easy and 50% very easy i think), and i use this mod and select option 50% - i will end up with 75% xp (EASY difficulty lvl) xp gain, while the difficulty will still be very hard. did i get this right?

Why do you say that? I've been using that method, as well as Broken Steel, and I've never had any problems with it. I don't see how adding points to a level requirement could possibly be incompatible with an XP.

I adjusted the bump base myself, doubling it from vanilla, and took a character all the way to the end of the original campaign, plus a couple of the expansion adventures. I passed level 20 without any problems at all, until I got bored of the game. I think I was level 25 or so when I quit.

I've never played on anything other than medium difficulty so I'm not sure about your getting 75 pct if you set it to 50 pct at hard difficulty. I would try it as low as 40 pct then decrease it still further if you feel your leveling too fast.

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Obviously I'm not the only one who has had problems using a leveling mod that changes the iXPbumpbase. Editing all the XPR rewards is WAY more difficult, but it does make a leveling mod more compatible than one that just changes the iXPbumpbase value.

Obviously there's something abut that particular mod then, as I've never had a problem using the bump base setting to slow my leveling. It's worked flawlessly ever since I doubled the default value, and I have all the expansions, and have taken a character well beyond level 20. There has to be something else responsible for the problems people have been experiencing with it.