Did you know that in Skyrim you can drop a high value item, like a diamond, into a group of NPCs with low morality, such as bandits, and the bandits will begin fighting and killing each other over the item?

You can also achieve the same effect with some frequency in Riften, given that everyone there is a self-centered [censored]. Even Mioll the Lioness will straight up murder other townspeople for items, its hilarious.

Bethesda has always been very meta about things like that.

Guys, smoking is immoral... not like shooting people or anything.

They aren't going to go out of their way to add a feature like this, when was the last time you could casually smoke cigarettes in a game anyway?

Is this a joke?

Obviously, just a sarcastic remark about the prudish nature of the moral outrage brigade, fun-police and others who get a bee in their bonnet about these things.

As a smoker myself, I'd love to have some of my characters in RPGs enjoying a cigarette but it's not going to happen.

Go for it. But only if I can fire it up with a flamethrower pilot for that extra attitude. Cigars are now an in game item by the look of it as well.

Yes to being able to smoke! Solid Snake inspired character!

Don't forget cow-tipping in Fallout 3!

Snake? Snake!? SNAAAAAAAKKKKEEEEEEE!?!?!?!?

let the player character have more animations in general i say

Yeah, and every once in a while he'd cough and hack and then say "Is that...blood?" That should put ya right off smoking.

Anyway I used to smoke but I don't anymore, but I'd like to see my character smoke. If for nothing else than the cool factor.

If they do put smoking in the game then after so long they should actually make what you just said with he coughing up blood actually happen to your character. Smoking is not cool in any single way.

It's a game, not the arbiter of morality.

PCs smoked in Fallout 3 if given a pack as an idle animation but the PC couldn't and won't in Fallout 3.

Smoking svcks, I really hope it isn't in the game, it isn't cool at all even if it is a game. It isn't something to be promoted.

In a 18+ game? People smoking in a work of fiction isn't promoting it in real life.

Well for one you and me both know kids play this game just as much as advlts do even if it is 18+, but I don't want to bring that up because then you can go down the whole road of 'well there are guns and violence in the game kids shouldn't see too'which is indeed true, but you just seem like the type of person you can't win with..

Two, it kind of is though isn't it really, just think about it. It might not be saying 'go buy some cigarettes and smoke until you drop' but it isn't exactly something to be encouraged even if it is only a game.

There were great smoking mods for both F3 and FONV.

It won't be long before there is one for F4.

And I'm glad Bethesda plays it smart and avoids the more controversial subjects.

It lets them concentrate on building the very best sandbox they can, then giving us the tools to do what ever we want with it.

Bethesda: We build the best sandbox around so you can be as twisted as you want to be.

But murder is fine?

Read my last post before you said that.. *sigh* I'm regretting joining this forum because you aren't allowed to have an opinion at all.

If you have so little faith in people dude, that's your bag.

I'm not interested in opening the doors to the fun-police frankly. Maybe the ability to drink booze causes under-age drinking too, or shooting people... you get the point. And obviously it causes none of those things and smoking is no different.

If you've had a bad experience with smoking in the past, I can dig your opinion, my granddad had lung cancer too, however - it's a game and people aren't that easily led.

EDIT: Just cause you pointed out violence doesn't actually diminish from the fact that it's the exact same argument your making now about smoking.

So are atom bombs and nuclear fallout. And yet they managed to push the big red button.

So are radiation and booze - and yet we had gamma gulp.

Tobacco is a drug and as such logical behavior in users isn't necessarily a given. Users tend to look towards the benefits and neglect/disregard the "side effects" until it's too late. And even then kicking the now established habit is difficult as it's grown into a full-blown addiction.

Either way, I don't see it being endorsed by Bethesda. They are a company and have to have a good relation with the public. That means trying their best to avoid social minefields such as abuse of kids, real world drugs etc. The benefits (number of customers who want these features) are unlikely to outweigh the fallout if special interest groups take a stab at things.

Yes, I wouldn't mind one of my characters chewing a cigar stub while doing his badass thing. It's a cliche I've grown up with that portrays the whole macho attitude. Maybe a modder will be interested enough to make it happen. I'm sure Bethesda wont.

You know dude, I did have a few bad experiences due to people in my family smoking and I think that is why I just don't like smoking. I just don't want kids to see it in a game and think it's cool because their character does it or something is all. Losing someone close to you svcks, especially when it was due to something like smoking that was probably influenced onto them from someone or some other source. A lot of kids are easily led into things, I know it is an 18+ game but we all know kids do play it regardless. I know violence etc is worse than smoking for kids to see but I just don't think they should add even more things for easily led kids to see. Thank you for understanding my opinion, I understand your opinion too of course, I just overreacted I'm sorry.

If kinds play this game then the parents are to blame. The mature rating is there exactly for that reason otherwise what would be the point of it? You know, saying this game is for grownups but not putting grownup stuff in it cause kids might play it, even if the label specifically says it's not appropriate for their age.

Second smoking is not such a big deal. I mean, take LOTR for example, kids love those movies, there is smoking in those movies! There is smoking in countless cartoons too. So please, if you are against smoking, find some solid reasons to keep it out of Fallout, but I suspect it's gonna be in there. It was in 3 and NV.

Solid reasons? Okay. Family death. Good enough? Yeah, thought so.

I don't get why it can't? It's rated M.

Metal Gear 5: The Phantom Pain has snake smoking a cigar to pass time...

Plenty of M rated games have had them in them.

As long as it isn't actually promoting thei use of them or as an actual product or anything. I also don't think it should give you a "Buff" or anything.

this.

it's cool if you don't like smoking. just accept that other people happen to like it, and trying to force your opinion upon all these is nothing less but attempted totalitarianism.

and, sorry for your loss, but losing someone close is painful, regardless of what killed him or her. my own father died from throat cancer at 76, likely from smoking 4 packs pall mall with no filter a day for 60 years. so, did tobacco kill him? no. his stupid behaviour killed him.

you see, tobacco, for all i know, was first used by indians on a very social basis, like, when they came home after a long day of, uhm, whatever they did, they'd like sit at the fire and pass around a pipe.

white people copied the habit, then reduced the social and smoked their pipes alone, later reduced the pipes and rolled the tobacco to cigars so that they could have more, and faster, and yet later, made it into cigarettes that they could have yet even more, faster and more often, ending up smoking several packs a day at their desks and dropping dead from lung cancer.

did tobacco kill them? no. their stupid behaviour killed them. or if you want, our society's sick and insane ever more, always faster etc etc. killed them.

would we come home after a day of whatever and pass around a pipe, health effects would be zero point zero.

i know what you're thinking. but think about what i said a sec instead, really.

and one last little something to all you fitness and health fetishists out there: you might not necessarily comprehend this (if you would, you'd not take that stance), but there's things beyond that....