But are we positive there are no zoom scopes? Perhaps only short rifles get them? Zoom scopes may be one of those "weapon specific" attachments.

This is really not seeming to help you so let me jump in here and quickly explain. Are there snipers? No. Why? Because Rahdo told us that they are discouraging anything that would lead to unfair gameplay, whether it be griefing or camping or just plain be a jerk. Also, because it's supposed to be 8v8 up-close in your face infantry action. Also, because our chararacters will look AWESOME. To also tackle some of the other things that may pop up, nothing relating to MW2. Now, as far as other weapons go, there are going to be short rifles instead. These are single fire weapons that have power and range. Are they snipers? No. They will not take out people nearly as fast, and you should think of them much more as a weapon to soften up enemies for your team mates to finish off. There will be scopes for them too, so they can fill any gap for people that feel they want to stay ranged.

I agree, Snipers have no place in any FPS. Cod, Battlefeild or othewise.

"...it's very much used in combat/warfare"
Yes, but at what ranges? you don't see snipers making pot shots at 50m. If the enemy got that close, a real sniper would get the hell out of there and find a new position. Games often include snipers as a weapon in games, but very few games include the role. Firing a 10kg rifle with precision accuracy while standing? good luck. A scope that magically adjusts itself for wind, gravity, spin drift, temperature, and altitude? If they actually included all of the cons that snipers have, no one would play as one.

"...it's very much used in combat/warfare"
Yes, but at what ranges? you don't see snipers making pot shots at 50m. If the enemy got that close, a real sniper would get the hell out of there and find a new position. Games often include snipers as a weapon in games, but very few games include the role. Firing a 10kg rifle with precision accuracy while standing? good luck. A scope that magically adjusts itself for wind, gravity, spin drift, temperature, and altitude? If they actually included all of the cons that snipers have, no one would play as one.

Bad Company 2 has bullet drop, that's it, on top of that you can snipe with a shotgun slug 1 km away because it has no drop in BC2, therefore is not a good example.

The problem with having perks that affect your weaponry and such, is that it takes the fine balance already in place and smashes it into the ground.
Much better like in brink, where you simply get your gun buffed by engineers, even new player get it, not just those that have been playing for quite a bit already.

Snipers don't deserve to be in a good game. Occasionally they sneak in, but they always get conquered.

Most of you must have no idea how to snipe,

Most of you must have no idea how to snipe,

I believe MW2 and BFBC2 both have maps that have decent distances for sniping.

Bad Company 2 has bullet drop, that's it, on top of that you can snipe with a shotgun slug 1 km away because it has no drop in BC2, therefore is not a good example.

Sniping is sitting back great distances getting a kill or 2 and then moving. This is especially annoying in games where spawns are out of bounds since there are snipers who decide to snipe from there. You can't tell me you think this takes a lot of skill.

None of us have any idea how to snipe unless somone on these forums has received real sniper training. Anyone?...

Bad Company 2 has bullet travel tracking (instead of hit detection). You also have to lead the shot at greater distances. Which I find makes sniping quite hard in BC2.

No but snipers who sit back in a spawn and don't help their team are useless. Sniper cover if great for supporting a team advance. I remember time in Bad Company where we had three sniper progressing a little ways behind the main line. We covered the frontline with fire and radar balls (so nothing could sneak up on the team.

Also I tend to get lots of knife kills as a sniper because your supposed to be stealthy.



I meant being an effective sniper in a game.




Agreed.

If you were experienced with Bad Company you'd know that any other kit has the capability to be much more useful. The majority of snipers are totally useless, and the ones who aren't generally could be more useful. Don't even try to argue with me about Bad Company.

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I won''t agree the most snipers are useless due to overabundance and lack of skill and teamwork.

What's your point besides pointing out the obvious?

My point is that snipers would be much more useful as a different class. You can do much more as others. The only times worth sniping i can think of in Bad Co. is VSS against a helicopter. You could just go Bam420 though and make it so they aren't at all a threat. In BC2 Isla Innocentes is somewhat useful if you spawnkill blawk, but an engineer can easily take more targets out quickly.

But that's simply for the reason that weapon-balance in Bad Company 2 is atrocious.

How is an engineer doing more against vehicles than a sniper atrocious? I am actually quite happy with the balance. Will you point out to me where you believe the balance is off?

Compared to what games wraith?

I have no preference you experience in BF leads you to believe that snipers shouldn't be in any games and just disagree with you.

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