That book argument sounds actually awesome. I think I will use that one to encourage my friends to buy New Vegas too. Cheers!


Nobody's gonna point anything I guess. It's the typical bandwagon accusation. Some guy throws a temper tantrum about the other group and other people have to join in. It's a never ending circle I say.

True enough.

"What can change the nature of the forum?"

since this off topic monster aint locked yet, I guess Ill add to it.

yup this is just a sale and it really doesn't matter what the price is, because the people like me who wanted more fallout 3 got it on release.http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?42698-Fallout-New-Vegas-first-week-sales-resultsselling the game isn't an issue Its just a promotion, and obviously it worked, got us talking about it.

also i said earlier that FNV was the only game I thought i shouldn't have bought, I didn't mean it isn't as good as COD MW2, COD BO or RDR its just that I knew what I was buying when I bought those, I expected FNV to be as good as FO3 but instead it was buggy, and rushed, I wasn't disappointed by the changes to the games style.

you cant even compare these games really, COD games are just like action movies high production values a lot of excitement and short but good plots. (which is exactly what I wanted)

and Red Dead Redemption (in my opinion) is one of the greatest games ever made!

I believe I saw Fallout 3 for $30-$40 last Christmas. Anyways, since I only get games at the gamestop near me I usually get used games but there was a huge sale this month so NV was only $20 new. I looked at my NV case today and it had it's $60 pricetag on it, so the sale is why it's so cheap. Anyways, I bought gta IV for $20 5 months ago, and it still hasn't lost it's replay value. Heck, i can't choose between NV alone, or play gta online with my friends. So it doesn't always depend on how much money it costs.

GTA 4 is a great game, and it will stay high until GTA5. Fallout 3 is now averaging its price around 10-15 dollars, while NV averages around 30.

Fallout games are RPG who is supposed to be large and have a good plot, with multiple choices and endings,

COD game IMO are just becoming generic and they started to went downhill after MW2, they are killing not only the franchise but the FPS genre too,

the rook is right, obsidian made the game for the old fallout game fanbase and its been a big letdown to almost everyone who played FO3 and liked that game, the two games are totally different, game mechanics are pretty much the same but the rest is different, and there is a huge group who hate bethesda, its very obvious so don't try to pretend this forum is loaded with people who love bethesda, all the bashers of FO3 and the same people who think new vegas is practially flawless make it very obvious, but new vegas doesn't have much replayability and thats why the game isn't selling very well now, cause the word is out.

Ohhh god there is elements in what you're saying is correct like i have talked to the dinosaurs who don't seem to be big bethesda fan but it's not the witch hunt you make it out to be and yes fonv really lacks in replayability but it has a superior main story and im a huge fan of fo3 it's my fav game of all time but i still love fonv it's probably my 2nd fav game of all time so it's not been a let down to me and who cares if theres more generic shack then there should be.Jeez are you the exploration police ?

the rook is not right, obsidian made a game not only to please the old fanbase, but to try to appeal a bit more to them with what little they could do for it given the tools, time and recources, and some FO3 fans are displeased with it but there is nothing suggesting that those some are almost everyone, the games, in their core are fundamentally similiar, subtle changes in mechanics doesn't change that, and I haven't seen anyone claiming the game is flawless, countering baseless claims and subjectively non-agreeable criticism is different than considering the game flawless, and most of all you don't have any evidence about the sales number, or at least you haven't bothered to provide them, and furthermore, who really gives a [censored] about sales, that's not a concern of the gamers unless the sales absolutely plummet which would endanger the possibility of a sequel, which is not the case here, and more over there is

:spotted owl:

Seriously, though... What makes you think the game doesn't sell? You always refer to happenings on these forums, so regarding that, the announcement Jason Bergman made about the upcoming patch and info on the DLC gathered well over 1700 viewers in few minutes (if the usercounter is to be trusted), and that's only in these forums, so obviously there is some interest left. Right? The statistics don't lie.

Funny thing you say that because FNV is boring...

Give it a rest already, would you? Or at least come up with some new material.

We get the picture, okay? We know you hate NV, you hate FO1 and FO2, and you hate the old fanbase and wish they'd all just go sit quietly in the corner and dribble tapioca pudding on their bibs. Just because a game is old doesn't mean it's a worthless piece of junk, or that an attempt to breathe the spirit of it into a new game in the franchise is wasted effort. I currently have my first playthrough of Fallout 1 standing by with my character at The Hub, and so far I'm having a great time with it. In fact, once I finish up Dead Money on my current NV character, I'm going to give her a break and go back and try to beat FO1. After that, I'll probably pick up my FWE-MMM modded Fallout 3 character again and push her a little further along. After that, it'll probably be time to start Fallout 2 for the first time.

This may come as a shock, but there are some of us who can actually enjoy all of the Fallout games (well, maybe except for BoS, but since I haven't played it yet I'll hold judgment on that). What's a hell of a lot less enjoyable these days is coming onto the forum and seeing the latest taunting/baiting post about how NV svcks from you and your sock accounts and your buddies. I'm sick and tired of it, and I suspect that a lot of good posters who used to hang out here a lot are equally sick and tired of it, and have moved on to get away from it.

End of rant - I'll go hobble back to my wheelchair and svck on my oxygen tank some more.

Ok, so... What now? What happens next?

LOl couldn't you have just wheeled you're chair to the computer but i have to agree west just give it a rest.

I though west took up another account?

Yah im just making a point...

West is making a valid point, we F03 fans were totally cut off, I for one didn't care who made the game because I thought it was going be as fun as F03 but I was extremly dissapointed on how empty and boring the game was. When I played the Dead Money DLC I was like WTF how did they make it even worse

May I ask what it is that you are trying to accomplish?

It's clear that you don't like New Vegas (and it's clear the reasons why, too)... but, I mean, is that all that you're trying to convey? Or are you trying to send some other message?

(I'm curious, that's all)

There is a valid point somewhere behind what west is putting out, but the problem here is, that west does not discuss that point. Instead he spouts broad generalizations (which he obviously wants to be true, though he can't possibly know) as facts, ridicules the opposition with commets of being in denial, and then puts out the very same thing he did just before, and after a while the same happens again with same arguments only with slightly different wording. This has been going on for a while already with no progression or any kind of discussion, so I'd say asking him to stop is natural reaction from other posters. With all due respect to west, of course.

HAHA! OH WOW!

Now you can bash nv all you want, but I wont stand for u bashing DM without a discussion. Did u play DM on hardcoe???????

What was your problem with dead money.?????????? huh????

Lets hear it.

and if we bring up anything bad about Fallout 3, we are Beth-hating evil people, but it is totally fine to bash nv because you dont like it.

lol that was supposed to be funny.

So humor is only acceptably if it favors you, my good man, i assure that many a time has humor been treated as insult by people of your position.

Alex if fo was a map nodes turn based game with no combat not as many people would buy it as what s needed. I mean if it had no combat and was map nodes I wouldn t even buy it. Why would you want it to die again?????? I like nv enough that I would buy another Obsidian/Bethesda fo. I understand there were some problems with the number of Enclave in fo3, but broke lore on every front??? I have to hear about this.

I m pretty good at reading between the lines. I don t think there are alot of jokes flying around when it comes to Bethesdas fo. These people are dead serious most of the time. I ve seen some funny stuff that can be taken as a joke, but not a lot.