No combat? Please, don't talk unless you know what you are talking about, because you surely do not.

And that last post was a joke, hence it being so verbose.

too much combat in new vegas ?, are you serious ? they prob could of gotten away with less combat but the map is pretty empty, there's not much to explore so with little combat and not a lot of exploration, whats left ? a mediocre story? the game didn't stand out in any areas really.

Well, i dont disagree about the lack of combat or the static-ness of the map, but i think the story is not at all mediocre, it is quite excellent in my opinion. As i have told Ace, i would greatly like regional npc spawn, like, if you are by water, you may see lakelurks or legionarries, if you are near dry lakes, you would see more insects, by a settlement, more dogs or raiders, stuff like that.

i agree with west, he's not the only one who noticed there isn't a lot to explore in new vegas, its pretty basic, you can find that on the internet all over the place, everyone knows the exploration isn't anything close to FO3.

I found plenty of stuff to explore, but the places werent dungeons that were in place for grinding for xp and loot, i explore in NV, to explore, and i do that, often.

well i agree, i didn't mean it to seem the story was bad, i thought it was good, i just think they implememented it very well and gave you lots of options and plenty of ways to do the quests so in all those areas i give obsidian a high score.

I'm sure if they had the time, people, and resources, they could have done better in other areas, but i am glad they prioritized story and setting.

He says there was too much combat right in it, meaning he want less combat. Any less combat we will be playing post apocalyptic sims. He says he wants map nodes back. I have no proof, but if people knew map nodes were in the next fo 65-80% of prior sales would be gone. Then you d get you wish and Bethesda would drop fo. Better hope Obsidian can pick it up and sell enough to keep it going. Then Bethesda could create their own post apocalyptic rpg/action adventure/survival horror game from scratch.

That might be the best thing. couldn t replaced pa or bos or the whole fo story,but everyone would get what they wanted.

I now think Bethesda should dump fo, and create their own post apocalyptic rpg/action adventure/survival horror game. Its the best thing......

I d miss vaults and sm and all the 50s fo time split, but it would work

They could call it man made winter. I could be great..... I think I ll get on the horn to Bethesda big wigs. They ll listen to me.....lol

They might even put me in charge to help get it off the ground.

Couldn't have said it better. Heck, I've also even noticed some F3 players getting annoyed with his behaviour too.

I actually don't mind if he hates NV, what I mind is how he makes those ugly sweeping comments, where he basicly thinks he speaks for the whole community.
Damn, we had a backseat moderator, and now what? Backseat PR manager? :shrug:

Yeah, I was wondering that.

A tiny dislike of any aspect of Fallout = Beth haters, regardless of how much we did enjoy Fallout 3 or any other Bethesda game.

I've not seen any of us 'old school fans' calling them Obsidian haters or that their blind hatred of anything Obsidian blinds them to how great New Vegas is.

A word jumps to mind. Hypocrisy. There are other words to for what West and Rook are doing.

i think you're on to something rook, bethesda should make their own post apocalyptic franchise, that way the old fallout game fans won't complain about bethesda not making the game more like the original fo games.

Fallout NV is still $49.99 for the PC here, I checked Gamestop website and it says $19.99 and even asked the clerk, his response was "We just have one copy left" LOL Ah well.

I have it for the 360 but wanted to pick it up for the PC also cause of the mods etc. etc. everyone always talks about.

Yeah the fo story line and the 50s time split is so good it could never be replaced.

A new game would not be the same in those areas, but they can think of something. I m sure they ll call me for help lol.....

Then Obsidian or Interplay (I pretty sure they are still around, because I read they want to make a on line fo spin off by 2012 but didn t seem sure they had the money) could pick fo and make it a map nodes turn bases rpg with little to no combat and a lot of talking. I just assumed old fo had combat, but going by what alex said I guess I was wrong. They could start with fo3.2 and Bethesdas fo3 could be struck from the records and they could call it the burned game.2.

Everyone would be so happy!!!!!!!!

The prices where funny here in Sweden. One place I go to from time to time has it for 500 for the PC on release day. A week later it was down to 250. Two months later it was up at 400 and angry customers complaining about the price raise

Yeah, they need someone to stomp down on the garbage in the bins.



I just love how you can make such statements about what a Fallout game should be when you clearly haven't played the originals.



When did he say that? Well, we've had opinions presented as facts and shoved in our faces. We've had broad, sweeping and somewhat insulting generalizations. Are you now going to start twisting words to suit your own viewpoint? Or maybe just go ahead and put words in the mouths of others?





And the last of your credibility disappears.



Nope, just you and Westoftherockies (Or is it Yellowstone occasionally?).

All I see is bashing and talk that fo3 ruined fo. I don t see anyone slip in anything good about it while they r bashing it. No I frequently say good things about nv too, because I really do not have an agenda. I understand what OG is saying, but it got sold it s like 14 years later they should have expected some changes.

Don t group me in with West just because I agreed with him once. I always discuss, so I understand better. I learn more of OGs side every day. I just never knew it was like this till I spent some time here.

Yet you make statements like this.




Nobody has said New Vegas is perfect. Nor has anyone said Fallout 3 runined the series.

You have quotes or proof? Please post.

But the idea that a dislike of something in Fallout 3 or a preference of New Vegas over Fallout 3 translates to hatred of Bethesda is an insulting generalization.

He says nv has too much combat. Any less and there would be none 1 or 2 shoting a fire gecko does not count as combat. Black Mountain is combat...

I was misquoted myself, someone put quotes arould "old" in old fallout fans when they replied to me, but I was like 10 when original nintendo was out, so why would I call the fans old??? I am old!!!!!!!!!

I mean old games "old fo fan base" not "old" fo fan base. Games made in the 90s are ancient relics when looking at what they ve become today.

He says fo 3 broke lore on every front. Sounds bad to me....

I m not going to go around and collect quotes, because i ll probably do it wrong. They r all over....... It not so much a hated for Bethesda them selves, but Bethesdas Fallout.

It makes me sad to see this, because I thought it was great then I spend some time on here and find there is a mini war in almost every thread. A jab here or shot there...... Even threads that don t turn into vs. threads have some jabs.

You guys can have any story line you want even 27 endings, but you can t waste the giant open world map like nv did. "Mindless exploring" is what i ve spent my time doing in the last 2 fo.

Then I would wonder of they really ever existed.


Btw. I remeber the thread you mention in this quote from earlier in the thread.



The bolded parts are hilarious btw. Microsoft only paid for exclusivity FOR ONE DLC. It had nothing to do with you. Seriously, ego much?

There was plenty of combat in the old games as well as non combat solutions. Though if your Outdoorsman skill was high enough, you could skip most of it.

That was supposed to make people laugh. They really don t care what I said. If they saw the one where I called them out for flaming they had to have got a kick out of it.

I bashed Bethesda bad during that period of time

where should I start oh that stupid ass collar and the annoying beeping,almost the entire DlC was copy paste,only 1 new enemy,getting lost when am trying to explore,and stupid purple/orange tint, the holograms wtf,and if u have a low endurance character you are going to have a very hard time playing.

So you didn t like it because it challenged you in many different ways??????

Then it did its job......

Do you play on hard core??????

I read what Chris Avellone had to say about DM on his twitter, and I think he d be very happy to read your post. It sounds like that is what he was aiming for. (Well not the part about copy paste, but I cut that out of your quote anyway for my own purposes)