it really disappoints me that not a lot of people know that the orcs are elves. they dismiss them as a type of kin to trolls goblins or ogres and not much else. or they argue that they arent elven *anymore* due to their transformation. but i say their blood isnt anything but pure elven and ALL of the elven races have changed one way or the other. to say an orc isnt an elf is saying the same as a dunmer. they may b green with giant teeth and arent known for theyre magic, but theyre still mer. Orsimer. idc what wuuthrad said. they had a mad scientist up north in skyrim *** spoiler, he gives u a quest to collect all the known elven blood types to date, orsimer included. *** so can u guys just accept that theyre elves ( . anything but yes will b rage inducing lol

I don't know anyone who thinks they're anything but elves.

I think most people here do agree that orcs are elves.

It doesn't matter how much elven blood they have, they'll always be the result of a bowel movement.

Yep, not many people know that Orcs are the product of...well, the stinky stuff

Something else... the reason Altmer are yellow is that they are banana-flavored.

Orcs are elves. Saying they're not is like saying there is no color yellow (or other color lol, just took a random one)

Oh no... nightmares of the banana Altmer from Oblivion are resurfacing...

As for the Orc thing, only one thing to say, OrsiMER.

They may be elves, but their faces tend to make their fannies look cute by comparison.

Orsimer were originally Altmer or Chimer who followed Trinimac to Resdayn in order to force the Velothi Chimer to stop what they were doing and return to worshiping the Aedra gods of the Altmer. Then the whole business with Boethiah and boom Orsimer, the pariah folk.

And then she turned trinimac into malacath and his followers into orcs

Orsimer =/= orc

Still elves though

Everyone here knows they're elves.

M'aiq thinks Orcs are elves.

M'aiq includes Bretons has a elf and human. =D

I'm aware of their heritage but I'm one of those who see a difference between what they were and what they are today and imo they are no longer "elves". As I've said in the other thread, calling them elves would be like calling Nords Atmorans, they hail from the same bloodline but they're not the same. It's even more of a difference in the Orcs case as they were purposefully corrupted by a Daedric Prince to no longer resemble their former elven selves so the differences may be more then just visual.

I also note that they're the only mer race that doesn't have elf in their common name, elves don't consider them kin and Orcs never refer to themselves as Orsimer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNMSdxzGQzc dialogue sums up Orcs nicely even though it's different lore as they came to be in roughly the same way.