Somethiung about the Courier doesn't add up...

Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:21 am

Your shot in the head, you get up and the game begins. Simple no? I don't think so. There is so much about the Courier's hidden past that isn't adding up with the story and hopefully OWB and Lonesome Road will answer... but in the mean time here is what doesn't add up. Spoilers pretty obviously ahead...

Let's start with Benny, he recruited a small handful of Great Khans to come and get the chip with him as if he was going to be getting into a very dangerous circumstance with the courier in order to retrieve the chip. This doesn't seem like a raider tribe sacking a caravan, Benny knew something about you could be dangerous enough he would recruit some Great Khans to assist him in taking you down near Goodsprings. Fast forward to your arrival to the strip, if the Courier lacks the skill of diplomatic revolve ( speech ) or bargaining ( Barter ) with Benny your lead once more into a situation that Benny hopes will finally kill you. The Courier survives and Benny shakes town and decided to goto the Fort to use the Chip for himself, yes Benny goes to probably the most dangerous place in the entire Wasteland to infiltrate it to try and seize New Vegas for himself in what may actually be his third attempt to do away with you. The very idea that Benny went to Goodsprings with a group of Great Khans seems VERY excessive for a simple task, your virtually harmless armed only with a weapon of your chosen discipline that Doc Mitchell will hand over and virtually unarmored wearing clothing suited for a farm laborer This was not a stroke of bad luck, this was planned for you for a reason that may have nothing to do at all with the chip but the mere fact you are dangerous enough Benny wants protection and an excessive upper hand against you from the get go. That begs the question did Benny possibly know Ulysses would be the one holding the package and not knowing his face or his appearance assume you to be Ulysses as such you took the grave for him? If so what has Ulysses done that has him feared throughout the Mojave? Even if this case is wrong then what has the Courier done to warrant Benny to make such a play?

Next we have the NCR, you may not have any relation with them up until Boulder City that doesn't seem to mean a thing. First Chief Hanlon acknowledges you had been shot in Goodsprings and speaks with you as if your well known and yet you've done nothing for the NCR. Second, Ambassador Crocker sends for you personally despite you haven't put yourself forward in the local power game between NCR, The Kings or Caesar's Legion. Third, Lt. Monroe is willing to risk the lives of two of his men in your hands without any hesitation what so ever which is very suspicious. The Courier must once again have done something very important to have such early high recognition from the NCR.

Next Caesar's Legion. Caesar is willing to send one of his highest ranking men into enemy territory just to request meeting you in person despite your only dip in the power game was to make Benny as previously stated make ghost and head to the Fort. It's pretty obvious Caesar views all of the Mojave denizens as inferior to the human race and only worth enslaving. Now lets suppose you kill Inculta Vulpes in Nipton, he is still willing to send one of his top men to meet you despite you've proven just how dangerous your very existence is to the Legion. Couple this with the fact Caesar requests your audience your still recognized by the legion as a profilgate(sp?) that he is infact likely risking his very life letting you come within 2 feet of him putting his faith in four or six Praetorian guards to stop you if you really do opt to kill him means either his brain tumor is strongly affecting his judgement or once again surprise, surprise you have an unwritten and previously vast impact on the Mojave.

In conclusion Obsidian has only raised hype in the game for me because I have these questions I'd like to be answered and it seems so far as Bethesda has stated Ulysses is the only person who will open up to the character to explain just what has happened in his/her past. And from the sounds of things if these sorts of questions had been planned to be answered through gameplay expansions I'd have to say they've done well at attracting my money namely because there is two main story lines with one being unraveled a step further next Tuesday that sets the stage to answer all questions ( hopefully ) in September.

So, what do you think?

Edit: Sorry about the topic title, as I am writing this I am dead tired and these sort of ideas only come to be when I am tired. It won't let me fix the title, once again my apologies.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:01 pm

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1. Benny didn't NEED to know you or anything about you to make a decision to hire some Khans. The wasteland, especially the part he went through, is very dangerous so it makes sense he would hire some protection. It doesn't mean he knew anything about you or how strong you were.

2. Hanlon probably knew of you because Mr. New Vegas constantly blares "HERE'S SOME NEWS, A COURIER SHOT IN GOODSPRIGNS HAS SURVIVED", getting your name blared over the radio would make you well known, and combined with the fact your the ONLY person to ever be let into the lucky 38 ever which MANY people saw you do makes you very important, important enough that Crocker may call for you because of your special position of being near Mr. House.

3. Caesar has so MANY people in NCR lands, its trivial to him. Sending Vulpes isn't risky at all since the NCR is so inept, also the same as the NCR above your the only person to go into the lucky 38, you tracked a man across the Mojave because he tried to kill you you have shown your strength and power and Caesar wants you becuase of that power and your ability to enter the Lucky 38
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:19 pm

I'd like to say the following,

First, Ulysses is a boy and your character can be a girl. How could Benny mix that up?

Second, this is a video game, therefore revolves around the player. The game would be no fun if you went unnoticed. The whole point is to add hype to your existence. In FO3 you were a major character in the game because you were the Lone Wanderer. The first person to ever emerge from Vault 101 permanently. Anyone could just say "OMG the Lone Wanderer is secretly John Henry Eden and was hypnotized to thinking he wasn't, that's why he's so important in the game!" It would be no fun if it went normally and no one ever knew you were so important. If that were the case, you'd be just another NPC, but you're not, you're the main character. The reason the NCR etc. cares so much for your assistance is just because that's how the game means it to go. You could be roleplaying an unimportant farmer that doesn't care about finding your attacker and the game still forces you to find him.

All of your post's 'evidence' is just how the game is meant to be played, not taken out of proportion and turned into something else. The only 'evidence' you had was Benny thinking you were Ulysses, but it's a known fact that Ulysses is a boy. Otherwise your character couldn't be a girl.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:36 am

Actually Dalek the Lone Wanderer was only one of a few people who emerged from Vault 101.

I think Benny knew that a Caesar's Legion agent was supposed to deliver the Platinum Chip and knew what Ulysses looked like and was a little suprised about whether it was a boy or a girl but after searching them they found that the Courier had the Platinum Chip.

That would make sense.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:28 am

The Khans were brought along to survive the Wasteland. If you look at the Cazador and Deathclaw activity in the area, then yeah, quite obvious why Benny felt they were neccesary.

The second thing you mentioned sounds more like a programming error.

The third isn't odd at all. Caesar respects powerful people who get results, and?
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:33 am

Benny brought the Khans for two things. First, for wasteland protection. He's only wearing a costume, in a wasteland where there are giant wasps, deathclaws and raider gangs. So of course he hire some of the wasteland's toughest raiders to act as body guards. Second, he probably expected Ulysses to carry the platinum chip, and he is probably dangerous. I bet Benny was a bit chocked when they ambushed and knocked-out the raider and found out it wasn't Ulysses.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:45 pm

1. Benny didn't NEED to know you or anything about you to make a decision to hire some Khans. The wasteland, especially the part he went through, is very dangerous so it makes sense he would hire some protection. It doesn't mean he knew anything about you or how strong you were.

2. Hanlon probably knew of you because Mr. New Vegas constantly blares "HERE'S SOME NEWS, A COURIER SHOT IN GOODSPRIGNS HAS SURVIVED", getting your name blared over the radio would make you well known, and combined with the fact your the ONLY person to ever be let into the lucky 38 ever which MANY people saw you do makes you very important, important enough that Crocker may call for you because of your special position of being near Mr. House.

3. Caesar has so MANY people in NCR lands, its trivial to him. Sending Vulpes isn't risky at all since the NCR is so inept, also the same as the NCR above your the only person to go into the lucky 38, you tracked a man across the Mojave because he tried to kill you you have shown your strength and power and Caesar wants you becuase of that power and your ability to enter the Lucky 38


Pretty much this, imo :)
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:29 am

Your shot in the head, you get up and the game begins. Simple no? I don't think so. There is so much about the Courier's hidden past that isn't adding up with the story and hopefully OWB and Lonesome Road will answer... but in the mean time here is what doesn't add up. Spoilers pretty obviously ahead...

Let's start with Benny, he recruited a small handful of Great Khans to come and get the chip with him as if he was going to be getting into a very dangerous circumstance with the courier in order to retrieve the chip. This doesn't seem like a raider tribe sacking a caravan, Benny knew something about you could be dangerous enough he would recruit some Great Khans to assist him in taking you down near Goodsprings.

No, Benny knew who your employer was, and presumed that there'd be someone else watching over you - and he was right (Victor)
Benny goes to probably the most dangerous place in the entire Wasteland to infiltrate it to try and seize New Vegas for himself in what may actually be his third attempt to do away with you.

My understanding is that Benny was captured by Ceasar whilst he was fleeing.

Next we have the NCR, you may not have any relation with them up until Boulder City that doesn't seem to mean a thing. First Chief Hanlon acknowledges you had been shot in Goodsprings and speaks with you as if your well known and yet you've done nothing for the NCR.

He's a fracking ranger. If a bear does a poop in the woods, they know about it - of course they know about a man who rises from the dead... How often does that happen?
Next Caesar's Legion. Caesar is willing to send one of his highest ranking men into enemy territory just to request meeting you in person despite your only dip in the power game was to make Benny as previously stated make ghost and head to the Fort. It's pretty obvious Caesar views all of the Mojave denizens as inferior to the human race and only worth enslaving. Now lets suppose you kill Inculta Vulpes in Nipton, he is still willing to send one of his top men to meet you despite you've proven just how dangerous your very existence is to the Legion. Couple this with the fact Caesar requests your audience your still recognized by the legion as a profilgate(sp?) that he is infact likely risking his very life letting you come within 2 feet of him putting his faith in four or six Praetorian guards to stop you if you really do opt to kill him means either his brain tumor is strongly affecting his judgement or once again surprise, surprise you have an unwritten and previously vast impact on the Mojave.

You're unarmed in the middle of an enemy army camp. Any rational person would consider killing ceasar at this point suicide.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:42 pm

wish they can add 1 more DLC

The Couriers past....hes like 29 or 31 or something dispite people calling him "Kid" he has a 17 year old kid
would be cool if he also had SOME relation with James...or ment him once and im still waiting for Madison Li to appear in New Vegas some how some way

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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:01 am

wish they can add 1 more DLC

The Couriers past....hes like 29 or 31 or something dispite people calling him "Kid" he has a 17 year old kid
would be cool if he also had SOME relation with James...or ment him once and im still waiting for Madison Li to appear in New Vegas some how some way


He's whatever age, you set him at. Just because the Courier can reference himself as being 29 or 31 doesn't mean he actually is. Those are choices left up to the player.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:41 pm

Caeser and NCR want you, because you are the only person able to get to House.

Benny shot you to get the chip i d say. He hired Kahns to help, because he is a scrub and you may have killed him 1 on 1.

People don t do major thefts alone for the most part.

Hanlon talks to you to give you game background info.

Same reason you can just strut into the NCR main head quarters.

In reality they would shoot you before they let you in, but in a game things are different so we can get background info, and access to quests.
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Post » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:16 am

would be cool if he also had SOME relation with James...or ment him once and im still waiting for Madison Li to appear in New Vegas some how some way

I completely disagree - that would make no sense at all.
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