Sometimes Irony isn't funny

Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:46 am

I like most people here have played Oblivion, and fallout3 prior to playing FNV. and I like a large number of people don't think that this is very funny. Whilst playing oblivion and fallout3, i would suffer random freezes. The sound would keep playing, but the keyboard would lock out and i would have to reset my pc in order to sort it out.
I read many many forums, and the responses varied from idiotic, to pointless:

change your video settings, : did bugger all
They arent happy with multi core processors, change the affinity to just one core : Equally as pointless, did bugger all
The sound causes lock ups, turn it off. : again bugger all difference
update your gfx hardware drivers... : Still bugger all

To avoid listing all of the suggestions, lets just say i tried many many things to improve stability, and all of them did nothing.

Then someone had the gall to say that the Havoc engine is just like that and will freeze up from time to time. To which i respond, Why the hell are gamesas releasing a game based on an engine which is known to fail.

I consider myself to have a reasonable knowledge of computers, and have a history of game development. If i can't work this out, then how the hell is some poor soul who just wants to buy a game and play it??

so I see Fallout: New vegas advertised on the tv and think to myself "OO they must have fixed their engine. No game studio would be stupid enough to release THREE games with such awful reliability".. turns out, they were

Seriously what the hell?

I bought the game and within 30 minutes i had to reset my pc three times due to freeze ups...

"we are looking into these problems" just isn't good enough. You are supposed to look into these problems, and fix them before you put them on the shelves. Someone sack the juggler, because he has dropped so many balls that his feet are looking like cauliflowers
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:18 pm

Amen ^^^^^


Honestly, I've gone through absolutely every suspected fix there is, and still, I get random crashes less than 20 minutes into playing, every single time I try.

I've gotten the Nvidia fix, the d3d9 fix, updated all my drivers, rolled back all my drivers just to see, put it on single core affinity, put the graphics as low as they can go, tried all the sound fixes, edited my fallout.ini... the list goes on.

I'm really starting to think that maybe, just maybe the error isn't with my hardware, it's with the game itself. It's odd though, because with both Oblivion and Fallout 3 I haven't experienced anything like this.

Which leads to the question, why put out a broken product? It's just making you look bad.


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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:48 pm

Maybe you guys need better computers? or you have viruses that [censored] it up because mine runs like a charm, it's shut down once recentally thats it. Since they updated i havnt really encountered any bugs. As for the screen freezing up but sound still coming through thats a problem with your graphics card, it cant run it properly. I had that problem with other games before i got a new graphics card and now i dont have the problem anymore unless i run something really hard running, like theres this game i used to play and one of the spells of a dude sent so many particles on the screen it was jsut too much for my graphics card to handle, i could handle one guy doing it but if 2 or 3 guys were using it at the same time it froze up and i had to reboot my computer. As for random CTD's i dunno i almost never get them.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:33 am

Maybe you guys need better computers? or you have viruses that [censored] it up because mine runs like a charm, it's shut down once recentally thats it. Since they updated i havnt really encountered any bugs. As for the screen freezing up but sound still coming through thats a problem with your graphics card, it cant run it properly. I had that problem with other games before i got a new graphics card and now i dont have the problem anymore unless i run something really hard running, like theres this game i used to play and one of the spells of a dude sent so many particles on the screen it was jsut too much for my graphics card to handle, i could handle one guy doing it but if 2 or 3 guys were using it at the same time it froze up and i had to reboot my computer. As for random CTD's i dunno i almost never get them.


You're the exception, Pupp, or maybe you aren't noticing all the sound and movement problems. Problems seem to be amplified by a combination of different hardware and software, but the fact remains the game is in terrible shape.

If you buy a new car that is defective, no one expects you to repair it yourself. The manufacturer svcks it up and recalls them and fixes them, at their expense. There are no such laws or ethics in the gaming industry for those who have problems. Has anyone gotten their money back?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:34 pm

Pupp, a game should work correctly on computers which meet the requirements advertised for the game. If it doesn't work correctly under those circumstances, then the pubilsher dropped the ball. Telling the purchaser that he should upgrade his system in order to get the game to work is ridiculous if his computer already meets the recommended requirements.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 pm

I've played Oblivion, FO3 and FNV, and I've never had a freeze up, and crashes are few and far between (and always mod related). No sound issues, no stuttering issues either. Am I an exception? I don't know, but probably not. I'm sure the vast majority of people who aren't having problems are playing the game instead of posting here. I doubt even ten percent of the people who bought these games ever even visited this forum.

I won't say there's not flaws; obviously this many complaints does indicate major issues that need to be looked into and fixed. Not to mention a huge number of problems that aren't game-breaking , but still cause problems (Veronica not leveling up; the turrets in one of the vaults being linked to the Lucky 38 robots, the list goes on and on). FNV could definitely have used a lot more QA time; if they'd had it, they may have avoided three quarters of the threads here.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:56 am

i would suffer random freezes. The sound would keep playing, but the keyboard would lock out and i would have to reset my pc in order to sort it out.

Sounds more like a hardware or driver issue... Not an issue with the game itself.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:54 am

FYI My pc is vastly more powerful then is required to run this game. And for you to say i need a better pc is just stupid. If it was a simple hardware problem, i think that in the time between playing one of gamesass titles i would have worked it out. As Brad and Haly have already said, a game should work straight out of the box. There shouldnt be ANY need at all to tweak settings, drivers or hardware. Do yourself a favor and google oblivion random freezes, fallout 3 random freezes or crashes before you start blindly making suggestions. I am one of MANY people who suffer these problems with These titles, and some smarmy individual sneering and saying "well i never get these problems" is nothing more then an irritation. The problem lies with the studio, and it is their commitment to do something about it.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:02 am

First having the latest drivers for the 200 series is not really the best idea. Most of the fixes for the game from the directx 9 dll to fixes for problems like slight lag and so on can be addressed on the Fallout New Vegas Nexus forums guys who have been makikng mods to fix the elder scrolls/oblivion and FO 3 have some stuff for new vegas up that fixes alot of the same issues the older games suffered from. My post http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1122570-how-to-dxdiag/page__st__40 has some good suggestions, I will be adding to it for the other fixes on nexus soon enough... but posting dxdiag only helps the upper level techs and devs determine if there is a major hardware/software/driver issue with your computer and many times it wont even do that....
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:38 pm

FYI My pc is vastly more powerful then is required to run this game. And for you to say i need a better pc is just stupid. If it was a simple hardware problem, i think that in the time between playing one of gamesass titles i would have worked it out. As Brad and Haly have already said, a game should work straight out of the box. There shouldnt be ANY need at all to tweak settings, drivers or hardware. Do yourself a favor and google oblivion random freezes, fallout 3 random freezes or crashes before you start blindly making suggestions. I am one of MANY people who suffer these problems with These titles, and some smarmy individual sneering and saying "well i never get these problems" is nothing more then an irritation. The problem lies with the studio, and it is their commitment to do something about it.

Now now now, I'm not saying your box doesn't meet the requirements, I'm saying that obviously something is messing up if you're requires to do a hard reset. This usually points out either a hardware issue or a driver issue. Good functioning PCs do not lock up unless these one or both of these issues are present. The exception being gamespecific issues. Oblivion had one, yes, the shadowmap resolution setting locked up NVIDIA card owners and fallout 3 had issues with Quad-core CPU's. SPECIFIC HARDWARE. There are no known "hard reset issues" with Fallout New vegas caused by specific hardware. So check your box first. That's all I'm saying.

And don't think I haven't had my fair share of issues with, mostly, Oblivion as well. Heck I even suffered from BSODs (which were not caused by Oblivion, but by faulty RAM), but you'd often see people coming ont hese forums going all like "Z0MG BETHESDA FIX FOR MY BSOD NAO" when that same person had drivers from 2002 or had spome seriously messed up software on their computers.

So please, don't try the "jsut because you don't have any issues" game on me. I've played Oblivion and Fallout on 5 different systems (1. 7800GS+/Pentium4/1,5GB 2. 8800GTX/x6800/2GB 3. 3850/E6550/4GB 4. HD4870/i7 920/6GB and 5. HD5770/i7 920/6GB) and any issues caused such as CTDs were usually errors that could easily be fixed by users.

If you don't want to spend time troubleshooting, buy a Bethesda game 1 year after release and don't ever buy the console version ;)
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:22 am

My comment wasn't really aimed at you Trademark, but i can see how it looked that way. Don't get me wrong, I have tried several hardware fixes and configurations myself. With oblivion, i have had 3 different gfx cards and sufferred the same problem with each. I was hoping that fallout 3 would have had the issues sorted but i would almost go so far as to say they were worse.
My point isnt so much that I can't fix it, as i am sure that if i read every single post on this forum, somewhere a glittering ray of hope would appear and solve it all. My point is that i shouldn't have to.
As i already said, i feel sorry for anyone who has these problems, especially if they are not technically minded. As with any game, and as already mentioned, if you meet the requirements on the label, you should be able to install the game, without messing about and play. Bethesda aren't the only culprits. I have read people have similar problems with other games too. The fact that my PC will play games with far greater requirements, without any problems whatsoever, and the fact that i suffer this problem with all games using this engine, tells me that its a problem with the software.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:33 am

Nope, I don't believe it... and here's why...

I have several games installed on my system
that I can play for 10-12 straight hours with -
No lag, No stutter, No Crashes, No texture problems, etc...

Then one day I get a wild hair to pop in FO3 or FONV...
and guess what, Lots of lag, Lots of stutter, Lots of random Crashes,
texture problems, etc, etc...

If what was said above is true then explain how this can happen...

Nope, this reasoning just doesn't fly with me....

It's a flaw in the game engine itself... not with my PC...

all of this is on a fresh install of win7, nothing else on the OS,
nada, zippo... games Only...

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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:28 pm

Thundorn,

The only way you are going to know for certain that it is just the game, is to try it from a new OS install.

Granted, I stopped playing New vegas because of the bugs, but I had less Freezes ( Went from random freezes/CTD's every 3 to 5 hours to only once a day 8 hours+ ) by reinstalling my OS. Could have been many things, but I suspect codecs.

Having said that - I will pass on knowlege and what I found out:

1) Yes, the game engine is less than stellar and seems to work with less issues on basline systems (New Installs) and XP systems because of compatiblity reasons.

2) I have a Quad and fallout New vegas would appear to have been optimised for it - unlike FO3 were I had to have the Quad .ini fix or it would crash indoors (Alot).

3) I never had a issue with Oblivion, Only the Quad issue with F03 (Ini. Fix), Fallout new vegas still has issues (Minor freezes,CTD's - Buggy Quest scripts, Corrupt game save issues) even on a new OS install (This after 2 patches).

4) As a Nvidia user, I had to have the .3d39.dll work around - game was simply unplayable without it (Right out of the box)

5) Every single freeze I have encountered has been outdoors.

6) Updating drivers ( Or trying older drivers ), Direct X, did nothing to improve the the issues with fallout New Vegas.

Having said that, If you have not already tried a OS reinstall with just windows and driver updates (None of your personal programs) and have tried Fallout New Vegas - That is a option. However, if anything, do not expect all the game issues to be fixed, at best, they will only be reduced.

Its true, that Fallout New vegas was released in a far worse state than Oblivion or FO3. Add to this all the advertising Hype, In House politics, subpar QA and you got a title release that simply was not ready for release.

Your not the only one thats upset - during this whole time - the advertising campain for New Vegas Continues with mostly stellar reviews (Politics again at work here).

And Lastly,

There is going to be a new patch for the PC next week that is suppose to address the Nvidia performances issues, NPC issues, and currupt save issues.

Obsidian / Bethesda new exactly the state of fallout New vegas (For the most part) and decided to release it anyways. This was either due to poor testing and/or politics.

Someone mentioned this idea before, and I will say it again. I think that not only does Obsidian / Bethesda owe the consumer a promise to diligently continue working on patches for some time, but that the first first DLC should be free.

It would do much to redeem them in the eyes of their fallout New Vegas consumers.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:47 am

Your funny TradeMark.

Here is a list of games I've never had any problem with ( no lag, no crashes, no random bugs )

-Battlefield Bad Company 2
-Dragon:Age Origins with its expansions
-Company of heroes with all its expansions
-Left4 Dead and Left 4dead 2
-Civilisation 5 ( and this games really require some fixing )
-Metro 2033
-Crysis
-Fall out 3 ( funny how it never crashed )
and so many other games that came out just fine.

Then there is FallOut : NewVegas, game comes out unplayable even with a top shape machine. I believe there is a problem with the game itself ( how it is coded or whatever ) because damnit I have so many more games that just run fine on my PC.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:08 am

Pupp, a game should work correctly on computers which meet the requirements advertised for the game. If it doesn't work correctly under those circumstances, then the pubilsher dropped the ball. Telling the purchaser that he should upgrade his system in order to get the game to work is ridiculous if his computer already meets the recommended requirements.

I was saying maybe his computer didnt meet all the reqs and needed to be upgraded i dont read very thoroughly so maybe he said it did and i missed it idk.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:10 pm

FO3 is not crashing on you because its running in DX9 if you get let me get the link
Solution for NVIDIA Cards
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34778 can be had on the Nexus Fallout New Vegas site
put it into this directory for your game this forces FONV to run in dx9 mode
Steam\steamapps\common\fallout new vegas\

Drivers per Card Series
GTX 4XX latest WHQL That got release a week or so ago... I am using an older set of beta drivers and dont have to do this oddly enough
2XX GTX Old WHQL 18x.xx drivers the 184.xx or the 186.18's where prob the best for them anything higher dont touch it with a 10 foot pole... They are drivers MEANT for the 200 series that dont have the starting of fermi integrations into them that slowed games esp game effects down in FO3.
9XXX Series 18x.xx Skipped this entire line because of the low amount of vram....my overclocked 8800 Ultra used to put the smack down on a 9800GX2 at higher resolutions, and eye candy cranked up.
8XXX Series 18x.xx drivers
7XXX Series cannot remember its been a long long time since I used the 7 series and didnt like those cards too much my 7950 was alright if I didnt plug in its molex for some reason=/ But only had that card for a short period of time Your best bet is to find out what drivers worked best with fo3 so use google/bing.
Anything older its been too long since I used a 6 series card and below=/ Sorry

If your getting some lag on when running into new npcs or npcs its them loading up/being configured, there are fixes for this on the FO NV Nexus site if it bothers you that much and its really ruining your game experience.


avoid collecting cards... and saving up and armory worth of items to keep your save game file sizes down once you hit 5-6megs plus is when scripts in game start to bug out and your companions or the game in general will start doing some odd things...

when swapping out video drivers use the guide in my sig things get left behind by nvidia even when you uninstall them... this is a sure/safe way to remove everything.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:33 pm

I didn't have any issue with fallout 3 with my old rig and I didn't even aware there are issue with multi-core system and nvidia card since everything run smooth. (Widnows XP 32 bit, AMD Phenom II x 4 940, Asus M3A79-T, EVGA 8800 GTX, Kingston Hyper-X DDR2-1066 4x1 G.), However my new rig has failed on Fallout new vegas. ((Windows 7 32 bit, AMD Phenom II x 6 1090T, Asus Crosshair IV, EVGA GTX 285, Kingston Hyper-X DDR3 1333 2x2 G).

I was actually be able to play the game without Freeze / CTD when i first got Fallout NV (1.0.0.240) with Nvidia 258.21driver. The FPS wasn't pretty but at least I was able to play it for a while. The game became unplayable after Bethesda release patchs and Nvidia rollout new drivers, random Freeze and CTD make me give up play Fallout NV. When the first Fallout NV patch hit (1.0.0.268), my crap FPS become better but as soon as I applied 260.89 driver the fps drop back to where it was before the patch. Fallout NV patch (1.0.0.271) and Nvidia driver 260.99 both fail to improve the game performace and game keep random freeze / CTD even i rolled back the driver. (I decide to swtich to WIndows XP since I have Windows XP 64 bit for my 3d modeling projects, however Fallout NV and Nvidia drivers failed under windows xp as well. )


I realize the issue is with Nvidia Driver. (Since Nvidia state they aware it on their forum and working with Bethesda to solve the issue.) To me it is irony that seems ATI users are enjoying the game while Nvidia users are suffering consider Nvidia is Bethesda's prime partner. (I really try to avoid look at that shinny Nvidia logo on fallout front page.)

I guess I have 3 options at this point. 1. Buy a sandbag and punch it everytime Fallout NV freeze/CTD 2. Buy a ATI video card or 3 play other games for few months and hope game will be playable.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:54 pm

I didn't have any issue with fallout 3 with my old rig and I didn't even aware there are issue with multi-core system and nvidia card since everything run smooth. (Widnows XP 32 bit, AMD Phenom II x 4 940, Asus M3A79-T, EVGA 8800 GTX, Kingston Hyper-X DDR2-1066 4x1 G.), However my new rig has failed on Fallout new vegas. ((Windows 7 32 bit, AMD Phenom II x 6 1090T, Asus Crosshair IV, EVGA GTX 285, Kingston Hyper-X DDR3 1333 2x2 G).

I was actually be able to play the game without Freeze / CTD when i first got Fallout NV (1.0.0.240) with Nvidia 258.21driver. The FPS wasn't pretty but at least I was able to play it for a while. The game became unplayable after Bethesda release patchs and Nvidia rollout new drivers, random Freeze and CTD make me give up play Fallout NV. When the first Fallout NV patch hit (1.0.0.268), my crap FPS become better but as soon as I applied 260.89 driver the fps drop back to where it was before the patch. Fallout NV patch (1.0.0.271) and Nvidia driver 260.99 both fail to improve the game performace and game keep random freeze / CTD even i rolled back the driver. (No matter if it is under windows 7 or Windows XP )


I realize the issue is with Nvidia Driver. (Since Nvidia state they aware it on their forum and working with Bethesda to solve the issue.) To me it is irony that seems ATI users are enjoying the game while Nvidia users are suffering consider Nvidia is Bethesda's prime partner. (I really try to avoid look at that shinny Nvidia logo on fallout front page.)

I guess I have 3 options at this point. 1. Buy a sandbag and punch it everytime Fallout NV freeze/CTD 2. Buy a ATI video card or 3 play other games for few months and hope game will be playable.


ATI cards are having the same issue as well btw there is a dx file on the nexus forums addressing ati cards as well.
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34970

so its not just nvidia....me i have not had to do this yet=/ but I am using beta drivers on my GTX 480's the ones that came out before the latest nvidia whql last week or so.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:12 pm

Pupp, a game should work correctly on computers which meet the requirements advertised for the game. If it doesn't work correctly under those circumstances, then the pubilsher dropped the ball. Telling the purchaser that he should upgrade his system in order to get the game to work is ridiculous if his computer already meets the recommended requirements.

IMO, each of the last three times at bat for Obsidian has meant at least one thing for game buyers with their products: the system requirements have been meaningless. gamesas's marketing people tend toward being lamebrains badly enough, believing nVIDIA's lies in 2005, and not even making even test one of any Geforce FX card, so we know to distrust any further "requirement". NWN2 was equally out in left field for requirements (I know, Bioware, but still Obsidian).

Fallout: NV's official requirements are an idiotic joke. Here we had the Fallout 3 game, with a Geforce 6800 GS as the minimum, not a 6600 of any sort, not a 6500, definitely not an atrociously bad 6200, and what do they claim for this one? That all of the 6n00 generation can be used? Bad joke!

Then, what moron decided to name a Radeon X1300 XT as the minimum Radeon? That was the SECOND name for the same card, of which 6-8 times as many had already been sold with the original name, X1600 Pro. Perhaps that's understandable ~~ the last advertising was on the newer name, and morons do have very short memories. However, I recently visited the Bethesda Support pages for Windows XP, where I've seen that instead of the "X1300 XT Series" (can't be any series, it's only the one card with two names), has now morphed into "X1300 Series", when the X1300 and the X1600 are miles apart in shader manipulation ability!

In spite of those failings, however, the fact remains that at least 60% of the time that I read anyone's unsupported claim that their system "meets requirements", they have exaggerated. This is most particularly true with regard to the most important part inside of a games PC, which is the graphics device. nVIDIA has the largest fan base, and the worst names; most gamers don't understand the meanings of the numbers in the names or the suffix letters trailing the numbers, and by far too many want to believe that Intel knows "something" about graphics, when the fact is that they do not.

Poor naming practices is one of my own personal hobby horses. All the way back in 2000 or so, when nVIDIA had an excellent gaming card, they also had a junk card (the MX), and initially, they didn't pretend it was anything special. But when the Geforce cards outsold everything else any other company offered, their marketing people couldn't resist. The entire product line in 2002 was christened "GF4", including the MX 400, which was still trash. Only the Titanium cards were actual game-capable products that year.

AMD (then still just ATI) had its own bonehead marketing clowns as well, however. They hadn't realized what they had started with their 9000 - 9200 - 9500 -9700 names in 2002 (nVIDIA copied it), and near the end of the production run, they substituted the 9600s for the 9500s, when only the "XT" model could match the Vanilla 9500's speed. On a performance number basis, the 9600 was a 9300, but ATI thought of their 9600 and 9800 models as being "newer" with higher numbers, and while the 9800 was a speed demon that the Geforces would need a full year to catch up with, the lesser 9600s were essentially just crap. Only the XT was worth buying on a value basis.

The last three paragraphs are all about the quoted (unsupported) claim of meeting the recommended requirements. While I continue to feel that the performance numbers in the Radeon cards' names is understandable, there are places such as the System Requirements Labs, where no one understands how the numbering works. The "4" in a 4200 IGP's name doesn't mean it is equal to any discrete video card from the prior several generations. It's a design with its basis in the HD 2400 card and thus not equal to an HD 2400 itself, and not to a 3450, and the 3450 isn't equal to a 38n0 of any sort, but SR Labs' moronic "Can You Run It" tests (meaningless) will rate a 4350 above a 3850, and mislead people who do not know any better.

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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:07 am

all I can say is this...

My system ain't the best... but I have several
other new games that all work fine.. no problems..

I installed another new game the other day..

Installation = no problems.. smooth as silk..

changing settings around = no problems regardless
of how I set them... (meaning no crashes...)

Gameplay = no problems...
first session = 15 consecutive hours..
next day second session = 12 more hours..
Game finished without a single problem..
gameplay smooth, no glitches, no crashes
of any kind = no CTD, no BSOD, etc...

Summary - this game was a breeze to install,
configure and play... I don't expect perfection,
that's unreasonable...
but I DO expect a game to at
least play and be enjoyable for my money...
a little bit of tweaking for me is no problem..


however since buying and trying to install
NV it's been nothing but a major PITA....

It has taken more than a week just to get
it to work even half way decent and that to
me just ain't right... It's only been the good
folks on forums like this one and the nexus
who have been able to help me get this game
to work to the point that I can at least play it..

I think the steam situation is a big part of it...
least it feels that way to me... the installation
just wouldn't work the first several times I tried
it, steam kept trying to do something (not sure
what) and it just wasn't working...

finally after searching nexus I found a fix
that someone posted over there to install the
game from the disc instead of steam and that
got the game installed for me...

the first time I tried to run the game it wouldn't
run, CTD with an error everytime..

went back to nexus and...
found out starting with the .exe got it working,
however the game froze up so much that I gave
up until I saw all the new fixes here and started
trying some of them...

now it finally works half way decent... but still
crashes now and then...

You can't tell me it's a big deal to set up a few
systems with different hardware and set up multiple
boot configurations with the most commonly used
OSs on them and install and test and see how things
go... come on...

if I can do it here at my house.. well....


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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:16 pm

I have to agree with Gorath the Elder both ati & nvidia have had screwed up marketing schemes on lower end model cards in their namings of those models. Some specs for min on some games I do laugh at the kind of laugh where soda/milk would go out your nose and mouth with a what the hell roflz what are they smoking I want some....

Most of the people I have seen with issues on these forums for the pc do not meet the minum requirements running they do but they dont
Like looking over sites you can find this
Fallout: New Vegas
Publisher: Bethesda Softworks
Developer: Obsidian Entertainment
Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP/Vista/7
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.0 GHz / AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+
Memory: 2 Gb
Hard Drive: 10 Gb free
Video Memory: 128 Mb
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 6600 / ATI Radeon X1300
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 9.0c
Keyboard
Mouse
DVD Rom Drive
Notes:
Supported Video Card Chipsets:
NVIDIA GeForce 200 series, Geforce 9800 series, Geforce 9600 series, Geforce 8800 series, Geforce 8600 series, Geforce 8500 series, Geforce 8400 series, Geforce 7900 series, Geforce 7800 series, Geforce 7600 series, Geforce 7300 series, GeForce 6800 series, ATI HD 4800 series, HD 4600 series, HD 3800 series, HD 3600 series, HD 3400 series, HD 2900 series, HD 2600 series, HD 2400 series, X1900 series, X1800 series, X1600 series, X1300 series

Then also owning a boxed copy of the game you get a cope out sticker with
enhanced for Multi Core
os windows 7/vista/xp proccessor duel core 2.0ghz
memory 2gb of ram 10gb of free hd space, video card nvidia geforce 6 series ati 1300xt series minumim


Then on steam we get pretty much the same exact thing
http://store.steampowered.com/app/22380/
System Requirements
OS: Windows 7/Vista/XP
Processor: Dual Core 2.0GHz
Memory: 2GB RAM
Hard Disk Space: 10GB free space
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 6 series, ATI 1300XT series

I have seen penium D's, celerons, pentium duel cores. I really think they should had put a full list of supported hardware so there was no confushion....
As for the people who actually meet the requirements have some type of driver issues, need to redo windows, are not willing to trouble shoot their pcs by
making sure things are seated correctly coming up with every excuse in the book of why they are not going to check everything. They wont go as far as
doing what is needed to see if its a problematic peace of hardware, to messed up drivers, or if they need a full system wipe of their computer to redo windows.

A ton of us on the EVGA Forums love this game, only annoyed by the mass accumulated inventory bugs of once hitting 5-6 megs plus on a save file things start
to break things like companions & what weapon they have, scripts in game and so on, along with the issues in the Ultra Lux Bath House and in the Thorn with setting
up custom matches of creatures vs creatures where they stare at each other from now until the end of time to going in and fighting a match if you try to exit and go into
the creatures exit the game crashes. Or the ED-E bugs where there are things in game you can do from the casions getting disarmed where it just bugs him/breaks him.
Oh and Steam and the issues it causes with the game if you have ever feature turned on for it from community to cloud, the popups of buy this game.... etc

But other than that we are loving the game but we keep our pcs in top maintence as well we go the extra mile if we get a blue screen, a crash to desktop, or major drops in
fps we find out what is causing it and find a solution. Many of the issues I see here from pc gamers are pretty much described up above. Have been able to play this game
for hours on end beat it three times and almost found everything "still hunting down the alien ship/the evil vile gnome form hell...." even guys with systems with older core 2 duos
core 2 quads, with 8, 9 and 200 series cards have been enjoying the game. Not too many of our main community members have anything under an 8800 card anymore... just the
ones that show back up when they start having issues... But yeah if your a pc gamer, sadly you need to know how to take care of your pc inside and out for the best, and most
painless approach to pc gaming, or know someone who knows a ton that lives close by, not someone who knows just enough to be dangerous.

I do agree there should had been multiple pc setups from dirty drivers/file systems, to top notch driver/system file setup from low end min requirements to the extreme. Each system having its own varient of issues like one that is just a tottal mess virus's on it malware, drivers installed on top of drivers, system restores, driver roll backs, at least 4 computers for each type of setup and each one in the computers test group the one that is not messed up fresh install of windows, latest/or best drivers isntalled for its hardware for fo nv. Just to see if these issues people are having can be reproduced and fixed quickly.
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Jade Payton
 
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:19 pm

Bethesda by and large does not give a flying [censored] about their customers. Their support is a mess and Bethesda Game Studios are often happy to introduce new bugs into their games with updates that never go resolved. While I have a lot of respect for Obsidian, I get the sense that they are highly limited in what they are allowed to do with regards to updating the game, especially as far as deep-rooted engine problems go; some solutions would be so simple and obvious that I find it hard to believe they'd be overlooked by Obsidian. The fact that modders are able to vastly improve the performance of the game by using script injections and the like already show that Bethesda's iteration of Gamebryo is one gigantic mess, and sadly I don't think that's going to change so long as incompetent [censored]wits continue to insist on using that outdated technology.
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Chloe Lou
 
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:55 pm

I've been buying Elder Scrolls games since Arena, and freely admit to never finishing Daggerfall because it set some kind of record for bugginess. Morrowind just seemed repetitive, and eventually was boring. After I sorted out ways to defeat the foolish leveling system, I played through TES4 several times. Fallout 3 annoyed me and I haven't found a comfortable way to finish it that feels right to me. I didn't like the added content bits and never bought any of that.

Steam really torques me. I have never liked it at all, and I agree that it is responsible for a very large part of the (non-Geforce, non Win 7) trouble.

While I agree that Bethesda as a company follows some really unprofessional policies compared to standard business practice, I do not ascribe this to anything so banol as fraudulent acts, more a case of gross mismanagement.

I don't know where that first sample of system requirement lists of supported video devices came from, but it was really horribly wrong, of course.

(For those not in the know, I pulled the errors out of the paragraph)

NVIDIA GeForce 200 series, Geforce 9800 series, Geforce 9600 series, Geforce 8800 series, Geforce 8600 series, Geforce 8500 series, Geforce 7900 series, Geforce 7800 series, Geforce 7600 series, GeForce 6800 series, ATI HD 4800 series, HD 4600 series, HD 3800 series, HD 3600 series, HD 2900 series, HD 2600 series, X1900 series, X1800 series, X1600 series,

Geforce 8400 series, Geforce 7300 series, Geforce 6600 series, G.210
X1300 series, HD 2400 series, HD 3400 series,

Only one X1300 is the same card as one of the X1600s, and the two business grade Radeons are well below an X1600's performance. The G.210 is poorer than the best onboard nVIDIA chip, which isn't good enough (9300). The only 6600 with any speed didn't ever have more than 128 MBs of RAM (6600 GT). Two of the Geforce 6800s were worse than the 6600 GT, being the 6800 SE and 6800 XT.

Gorath
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Katie Louise Ingram
 
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:22 am

We'll, to all of you Oblivion and Bethesda employees who log on here to tell us how great it works my answer to you is who cares. Every single customer that bought this game and meets the minimum specs is entitled to have a game that runs regardless of whether or not it runs on your computer, get it?

In case you can't read this is the forum for "Solftware and Hardware PC Issues" so if you're not part of the solution no one wants to hear what you got to say as thousands of customers with problems can't be wrong just because you can run the game. The engine in the game is total failure and if FO3 is a look into the future it will remain total failure as gamesas knew of these issues and released the game anyway.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:59 am

Fallout: NV's official requirements are an idiotic joke. Here we had the Fallout 3 game, with a Geforce 6800 GS as the minimum, not a 6600 of any sort, not a 6500, definitely not an atrociously bad 6200, and what do they claim for this one? That all of the 6n00 generation can be used? Bad joke!
Well, I completed Fallout 3 on a Geforce 6600GT. Without any problems and not on minimal settings. On an old CRT monitor in 1024x768. I don't see why a card of 6n00 series should be an invalid choice for the newer Fallout games; they are not too demanding graphically.
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