Sorry if this has been asked, but I still don't know if Aldu

Post » Thu May 19, 2011 7:10 pm

Alduin isn't really the Nordic version of Akatosh - it's the other way around. Akatosh is the Imperial version of Alduin/Auri-El, and was actually a political compromise to allow the freed former slaves that made up the Imperial population to "sort-of" continue to believe in the merish pantheon they were accustomed to, without angering the Nords who they had been freed by (and who were on decidedly poor terms with the mer). This is why, unlike Alduin and Auri-El, which are two different views of the same basic concept (Dragon God of Time who both creates and destroys the world), Akatosh was decidedly pro-Man and was a guardian of the Empire. He still had his primary element (Time) but he wasn't the destroyer as well as the creator.

Of course, even while his attributes were different it is important to remember that Akatosh WAS the same as Alduin and Auri-El - reality and gods specifically can get a bit schizophrenic like that.

It's actually possible that the Allessian Order did fundamentally change Alduin/Auri-El when they caused the Dragon Break - and that changed God was Akatosh, who might have ceased to exist as an element of the Dragon God at the end of Oblivion, allowing the original, proper form(s) of the Destroyer to come back - therefore causing the crisis in Skyrim. I dunno whether that's supported anywhere in the lore or if it's just speculation, but I think it's a pretty cool story myself.



Hmmmm...

Very strong idea. Once Martin smashed that amulet Akatosh's Oath to Alessia was considered complete. The Dragon god of time was no longer bound to the empire and perhaps reverted back to his original aspects...
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 12:01 pm

A thought: Perhaps Akatosh is linear time, while Alduin is cyclical. The Alessians and the Empire (all empires) naturally wanted to tame time: to write it up as histories, a list a rulers and so forth, all sanctioned by a domesticated version of the Dragon God, thereby 'inventing' time as a rational, linear and pro-Imperial process of causality. The more primitive Nords, on the other hand, see time as something more primal and dangerous.

hmm... I'd never seen it like that, but it makes perfect sense, especially with the lord of spoons' post.
Thanks for adding more depth to my understanding of the idea.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 1:13 pm

hmm... I'd never seen it like that, but it makes perfect sense, especially with the lord of spoons' post.
Thanks for adding more depth to my understanding of the idea.


No need to thank me for rampant speculation. : ) Because of the complex relationship between gods and mortals- thank you, LoS- it just seems like understanding the ways different cultures think about time might be important.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 2:06 pm

No need to thank me for rampant speculation. : ) Because of the complex relationship between gods and mortals- thank you, LoS- it just seems like understanding the ways different cultures think about time might be important.

Definitely. I took it for granted that cultural perceptions of the gods were different, and didn't ever examine the depth and implications of those differences. Certainly pertinent and very interesting.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 1:48 pm

Okay, so I have a question pertaining to the multiple forms of one god.

Hypothetically speaking, would it be possible for all of these forms to exist in one place at the same time? More specifically, could it be possible for Akatosh to combat against Alduin? Given that a god has power, of course, there is no reason that he'd have to be limited by mortal rules and whatnot.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 8:14 pm

I don't know, it seems slightly mistaken to think of these "forms" of gods as occupying physical space and having a bash-up.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 4:12 pm

I don't know, it seems slightly mistaken to think of these "forms" of gods as occupying physical space and having a bash-up.


I may be mistaken but I like to think of it in quantum physical terms.

Matter collapses from wave/chaotic state to particle/ordered state at the instant of observation.
In this way their perception defines the reality they see.

Normally the result (the form the god takes) from the collapse would remain consistent between peoples because they would share
information of their perspective, and their shared perspective merges into a unified reality.
But because we're talking religious views, these peoples religious perspectives are too adamant to merge perceptions of the deity,
so in a crazy metaphysical sense both deities exist, but in a kinda alternate universe kinda dealio mixed in with TES's crazy metaphysics.
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Post » Fri May 20, 2011 2:14 am

I may be mistaken but I like to think of it in quantum physical terms.


Good.
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 4:12 pm

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ah, I see what you're saying.
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Post » Fri May 20, 2011 3:48 am

It's not that, I've just always thought of Aldun as his angry form. :shrug:


Felmore throws pebble at Akatosh.........Akatosh turns into Alduin..."Alduin mad alduin SMAAAASH".....O.O
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Post » Fri May 20, 2011 2:41 am

Felmore throws pebble at Akatosh.........Akatosh turns into Alduin..."Alduin mad alduin SMAAAASH".....O.O


And now the image of Akatosh walking down a road, hitching a ride, with the Hulk's theme tune playing is transfixed in my mind.
"Dont make me angry. You wouldnt like me when Im angry"
"The madder Alduin gets, the stronger Alduin gets."

:rofl:
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Post » Thu May 19, 2011 8:59 pm

And now the image of Akatosh walking down a road, hitching a ride, with the Hulk's theme tune playing is transfixed in my mind.
"Dont make me angry. You wouldnt like me when Im angry"
"The madder Alduin gets, the stronger Alduin gets."

:rofl:

glad you found it as funny as i do lol
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