sotha sil question

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:56 pm

Yeah, why didnt Sotha Sil do anything, when Almelexia was torturing him? Was he already dead, or was it a decoy, which I can understand.


some say he was tired of life or something bit that just seems like bs to me
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:01 am

old thread but what the hey i always thought that sotha sil kind of wired himself into his clockwork city so that he could control it easier

Muthsera,

Besides being a blatant necromancer, you have posed a good query. :grad:

My view on why Sotha Sil was wired into the city can be found by following a few simple steps.

1. It took something special to create the brass skin of Numidium, the golden souls of the Dwemer.

2. Remember that the Numidium could be powered by something that drew power from the Heart of Lorkhan, i.e., the heart of the Underking/Wulfharth/Arctus.

3. Akulakhan (the Second Numidium) needed a skin.

4. People infected with corprus became "of one flesh" with Dagoth Ur, which is why the skin of Akulakhan was made of corprus weepings.

NOW TO THE MEAT OF IT

5. Sotha Sil was a "part of" his city. (see http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#25)

4. Sotha Sil's flesh was therefore metal.

5. Compare the http://www.morrowind.pl/ciekawostki/dwemerowie/dwemer-meta3.jpg to http://photobucket.com/image/akulakhan/MorrowindPics/ScreenShot24.jpg?o=5 and to http://www.uesp.net/w/images/TR_Creature_Imperfect.jpg, which I consider to be an attempted Third Numidium.

Is there any real wonder as to what he was doing? And since one has to join with a "model" capable of making the jump past death to escape Mundus, are we so sure that Sotha Sil didn't want to die? He was going to join with the Imperfect, power it with what was left of the Heart's power he contained, and make the leap past death. Technological leaps were always the dwemer way out, and Sotha Sil, the one who figured out how to use the Tools in the first place, finally learned on his own.

___The Word Merchant of Julianos


ps I kind of went into this topic http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=773263&st=40#.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:49 pm

Yeah, why didnt Sotha Sil do anything, when Almelexia was torturing him? Was he already dead, or was it a decoy, which I can understand.

He didn't care.

Muthsera,

Besides being a blatant necromancer, you have posed a good query. :grad:

My view on why Sotha Sil was wired into the city can be found by following a few simple steps.

1. It took something special to create the brass skin of Numidium, the golden souls of the Dwemer.

2. Remember that the Numidium could be powered by something that drew power from the Heart of Lorkhan, i.e., the heart of the Underking/Wulfharth/Arctus.

3. Akulakhan (the Second Numidium) needed a skin.

4. People infected with corprus became "of one flesh" with Dagoth Ur, which is why the skin of Akulakhan was made of corprus weepings.

NOW TO THE MEAT OF IT

5. Sotha Sil was a "part of" his city. (see http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/lessons.shtml#25)

4. Sotha Sil's flesh was therefore metal.

5. Compare the http://www.morrowind.pl/ciekawostki/dwemerowie/dwemer-meta3.jpg to http://photobucket.com/image/akulakhan/MorrowindPics/ScreenShot24.jpg?o=5 and to http://www.uesp.net/w/images/TR_Creature_Imperfect.jpg, which I consider to be an attempted Third Numidium.

Is there any real wonder as to what he was doing? And since one has to join with a "model" capable of making the jump past death to escape Mundus, are we so sure that Sotha Sil didn't want to die? He was going to join with the Imperfect, power it with what was left of the Heart's power he contained, and make the leap past death. Technological leaps were always the dwemer way out, and Sotha Sil, the one who figured out how to use the Tools in the first place, finally learned on his own.

___The Word Merchant of Julianos
ps I kind of went into this topic http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=773263&st=40#.

Possible... But the "third Numidium" was still named "the Imperfect". This sorta implies that, whatever it's purpose was, it did not work as intended.
Not to mention that there is two of them.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:07 pm

so sotha sil used his god power to power the clockwork city
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 am

He didn't care.
Possible... But the "third Numidium" was still named "the Imperfect". This sorta implies that, whatever it's purpose was, it did not work as intended.
Not to mention that there is two of them.

Another possibility was that he was already "wired" into his "model", and that the other two were intended for the other two Triunes. This would only work if the symbolism of their being a part of a greater entity called ALSMIVI were taken literally; Ayem and Vehk's flesh would have to also be of shared metal.

As to why the things are called "Imperfect", I can come up with a number of speculations:

First, they would be "imperfect" because "trinity in unity" is their motto, and they would not be making the jump together, because the jumper must be "bereft of a double".

Second, and least likely coming from Seht, it could have been humorous. He did consider himself better than the other two Triunes.


Still scrabbling for an answer,


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edit: I still think Seht was doing this on his own.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:29 pm

WM, any hypothesis on why Seht would want to make another Numidium?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:52 am

WM, any hypothesis on why Seht would want to make another Numidium?

It seems that anyone playing around with the Tools gets that crazy idea. Kagrenac originally, then Dagoth Ur had them in his possession and would later seek to create Akulakhan. Sotha Sil had to toy around with them in order to discover how to ascend.

Perhaps the Tools truly can corrupt? Maybe that is why the Tribunal had them split up? I really don't know, just playing around with some ideas.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:59 am

More like throwaway robots, I should think. Was he trying to make two numidium? They were Imperfects, posted outside his door as guardians like he put them together in a fit of boredom.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:41 am

http://www.uesp.net/w/images/TR_Creature_Imperfect.jpg, which I consider to be an attempted Third Numidium.


More like Mini-Midium. The Imperfect is big compared to a random citizen of the Empire, but it's far from being big enough to deserve the coveted title of Giant Stompy Robot.

Plus, it's called the Imperfect. Gods are Perfect. If the Imperfect was meant to be a god, it would be the Perfect.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:26 am

Well it could be called Imperfect because he didn't finish it.

But, whatever.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:23 am

I don't think there was any implication that those two "Imperfects" were anything more than just guards, which doubled as a nice boss creature to give the player a challenge.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:00 pm

I don't think there was any implication that those two "Imperfects" were anything more than just guards, which doubled as a nice boss creature to give the player a challenge.

The name "Imperfect" is the implication. ;)
While they might not have been attempted numidiums or minidiums, it's clear that he was trying to create some perfection or another. It's quite possible though that those were old machines, and their research had been abandoned long before the Nerevarine arrived.

Anyway, those two could have been prototypes or test models, or something, that didn't work as they were supposed to.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:47 am

Ah, fellas, I believe that it's something that we can ponder, but there simply isn't enough information one way or the other to state decisively. Additionally, whether Seht actually had those motivations did not end up as part of the storyline, and it is unlikely to arise as an issue in the future.

So, where does that leave us? It renders the point effectively moot. :shrug:

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:52 pm

old thread but what the hey i always thought that sotha sil kind of wired himself into his clockwork city so that he could control it easier

quite possible, as his contraption included wires which connected into the back of his skull, and most likely penetrated the cranial vault. No to mention there appeared to be some sort of control panel behind sotha sil's corpse. Who nows, maybe he downloaded his mind into his machines.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:43 pm

It's part of his image.
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