Soul Trapping Humans, Mer

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:22 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-arkay-enemy is clear:

"Arkay's Blessing prevents the souls of men, beastmen, and elves from being used without consent. Arkay's Law prevents those buried with the proper rituals from being raised to serve my children's will."

makes me want to ask: so how were black soul gems and all that in TES 4 justified by Lore if the above clearly, hm, pretty much "prevents" it?
even if taking into consideration the next two lines, i stil don't see how or why it is no longer "prevents" the soul trapping of man and mer :

"As you know, my children, Arkay's Blessing is flexible to those with daring, but Arkay's Law is unwavering"

explain, clear up, someone, please? :D
User avatar
Harry-James Payne
 
Posts: 3464
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 6:58 am

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:55 pm

you can't re-animate a body that has undergone Arkay's rituals, but you can trap their souls if you manage to figure out a way to break the magic of Arkay (a fairly weak Et'Ada)
User avatar
Manny(BAKE)
 
Posts: 3407
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:14 am

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:29 am

It has nothing to do with Arkay being a "weak" et'ada.

A blessing can be circumvented, a law can't (without fundamentally altering the theomythical nature of Aurbis). Black soul gems are one way of circumventing Arkay's blessing.
User avatar
Jani Eayon
 
Posts: 3435
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:19 pm

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:59 pm

like a loophole. I mentioned Arkay's status closer to Mortals than most 'greater' Et'ada because it means it is easier to find – or make – loopholes. If he was a stronger Et'ada he wouldn't be eclipsed every seven days by a finite soul.
User avatar
Paula Ramos
 
Posts: 3384
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:43 am

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:02 am

like a loophole. I mentioned Arkay's status closer to Mortals than most 'greater' Et'ada because it means it is easier to find – or make – loopholes. If he was a stronger Et'ada he wouldn't be eclipsed every seven days by a finite soul.


Even Akatosh - whose "perch from eternity" allowed the other et'ada to form - can be circumvented.
User avatar
Joey Bel
 
Posts: 3487
Joined: Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:44 am

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:46 am

Every Aedroth (or at least that we've encountered, Zenithar or Stendarr hasn't really been seen even indirectly) has exceptions in their rule of their specific realm. Kynareth has Werewolves and Vampires, Akatosh has Dragon Breaks, Arkay has the GoW to circumvent his rule.
User avatar
ImmaTakeYour
 
Posts: 3383
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:45 pm

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:27 pm

Err Arkay has vampires, necromancers, undead, liches and Mannimarco, and Kynnareth with werewolves.
User avatar
lolly13
 
Posts: 3349
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:36 am

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:53 pm

I don't think that you actually trap the soul just the energy the body uses, or something like that. I mean you can "soul trap" reanimated corpses which is weird, but then again im not much of a lorebuff.
User avatar
Ross Zombie
 
Posts: 3328
Joined: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:40 pm

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:58 pm

I don't think that you actually trap the soul just the energy the body uses, or something like that.

This begs the question of "What in blinkin' blazes is this silly soul thing you people keep rambling about?"

Goofy wording aside, I'm serious. What is a "soul" in TES?
User avatar
Kay O'Hara
 
Posts: 3366
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:04 pm

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:30 am

N'Gasta was able to put up a soul snare around the island of Stros M'kai, where the only safe place to die was in the temple of Arkay, or having a priest to say the rites. That's sort of a huge subversion.
User avatar
Nicole Mark
 
Posts: 3384
Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:33 pm

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:15 am

Lattice, a soul is an idea, and a mortal soul is a fragment of an idea, and thus it is a form of magic (magic is pure potential energy, and ideas have a lot of potential or something like that.) This is evidenced by Meridia – the Et'Ada of souls – being a subgradient of Magnus – the Et'ada of magic.
User avatar
Ria dell
 
Posts: 3430
Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:03 pm

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:59 am

eh, so a loophole? OK... guess we got to have them. sure clears that up quick :D
User avatar
lauren cleaves
 
Posts: 3307
Joined: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:35 am

Post » Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:39 pm

This begs the question of "What in blinkin' blazes is this silly soul thing you people keep rambling about?"

Goofy wording aside, I'm serious. What is a "soul" in TES?

A soul is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_form. It represents a primordial, elemental, that is to say non-simplifiable idea. It represents the baseness of that person. I guess you could say that everything would have its own Form with the more complex things having more animate Forms. A man or mer would have a greatly large, complex Form.

Daedric souls, on the other hand, are more malleable Form with more plasticity, since they are created from more original energy, closer to creation. Therefore, their animus can be dashed from their corporeal form without their soul being completely lost.
User avatar
Andres Lechuga
 
Posts: 3406
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:47 pm


Return to The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion