So spears also have a tactical reason for being implemented if I were to put spears in this comparison.

Because their used for defensive meleeing purposes. keep an opponent at a distance and try to stab them from a range.

The earlier post was a rhetorical question on getting rid of axes and spears to show how its seems flawed not to have a well known type of weapon.

Did you even read my post you just quoted? It will either harm quality or quantity or both. If they spend time trying to rebalance spears, they will spend time they could be using to add other new weapons in the game. The damage to quality would be that if they put spears back in the game the way they were in Morrowind would harm quality because they are imbalanced and easily exploitable to the point where you are unstoppable. Polearms would escape the caveat, as you put it, because polearms would be more along the lines of claymores due to them having a long reach and swing. Spears allow you to deflect any front attack by keeping the spear attacks between you and the enemy instead of off to the side and allowing openings between swings. People need to open their eyes and realize the truth instead of just saying that everything was fine and dandy the way they were when in reality they were overpowered and lessened the actual game mechanics.

I don't know why so many people make such a big deal out of it.
I mean, of course it would be cool to have, but guess what? it's not in, deal with it

Thi is still going????? :unsure2:

That's pretty reasonable, I admit. With that in mind, then it is more likely that the polearms that we're going to see in the game to be strictly the bladed variants (i.e. bardiche, glaive, voulge et al are in; halberds, tridents, partisan and the likes are out).

well maybe someone could figure out a mod for it, I almost had one for Oblivion, the scripting didn't work though

It makes sense to give the same information when GI is not available in Europe, but only in the US, thus we in Europe also need(well, want) the information people in the US got. But you are right, some more info is bound to be in them...
But what I mean is that if one thing got mistranslated, more could be as well. :/


I am of course referring to those people that stated that Spellmaking was out. I haven't read everything there is to read about the subject, but expected those who made threads with information from those mags to be reliable, something they were not (to an extent).

Ah, yes, see what you mean... But that's it. Keep the US folks scrambling for Europe info, keep the European scrambling for US info. Point is that none of us should feel comfortable with one source of info - that would mean we did't have to think about the game 24/7, and what PR would want that ?


Actually, you are right to be cautious. It's printed on the french mag that Beth scrapped athletics cause it was too easy to boost jumping, and what do we make of that ? Not really sure even the journalists are to be trusted : the french guy, he clearly didn't play much TES.


That much is unavoidable, whatever the language. I mean, Todd speaks english, said they were still working on mounts, and there's already a "no mounts" thread.

Thank you. I'm glad there are those that are willing to listen to others of how things can be made to be just as good and balanced. I know sometimes people think that I'm not listening to them or I'm just trying to be combatitive but I'm just trying to show people that it isn't the end of the world when something isn't in the game when there is an alternative that will possibly be in the game that is basically the same but also are balanced in gameplay to allow for equal possibilities of usefulness in combat but also have weaknesses. I thank you for understanding :blush:

I think the introduction of those sort of "Bladed" long-reach weapons will help the community with modding in "Non-bladed" (See: Spears) as well. This is besides the fact that any long-reach weapons will be something more we didn't have in Oblivion, which is something to celebrate on it's own. =)

Ehh, no probs, mang. :foodndrink:

Are there javelins in any game?

I greatly appreciate this bit of perspective. Thanks! :foodndrink:

Yeah, I guess it's a good way to get some extra PR


I am running the Skyrim Information Thread over at the Nexus, so I have to be cautious as to what I add there.
And that there is a tiny misunderstanding that makes people freak out.^^


Yeah, it is unavoidable, but seriously people should listen more carefully when listening to such podcasts... People are all on about there's no mounts, while in reality, mounts are being further developed from Oblivion, possibly with more variation (as he pointed to RDR) and better controls.
So yeah, you're right, "mistranslations" can be made English -> English as well

I'd argue that, balance issues aside, bladed polearms are in no way the same as spears wielded as spears would be in the real world, and I sympathise with those who're very disappointed about them (possibly) being excluded. I don't think any argument that essentially boils down to "but these other weapons are aesthetically similar, and just as cool!" will change the fact that some players want to wield spears, like spears, in Skyrim.

However, my personal position is more or less the same as yours: I much prefer slashing polearms to thrusting spears; their inclusion raises no complex reach/balance issues; and they are vastly more simple to implement both in terms of combat mechanics and animation assets. And even for a fan of spears, it's at least some consolation that we're likely to see polearms of that sort. But however you look at it, they aren't spears, and some players will always be understandably disappointed by that.

You mean, like picking Seong Mina (halberd, I know, doesn't make much diff. in Soul Calibur) and while you play the game once in a blue moon, being able to defeat experienced players by just repeatedly stabbing their feet without them being able to retaliate ? I so never did that.

If they can't get it to look and feel right they won't put it in the game pure and simple. Remember.... learn.

Lawl, guess combat will be the same three weapons and spamming the button. Heaven forbid we mix it up a bit. :shakehead:

since I wouldn't use them if they included them, it doesn't make a difference on way or the other.

lol exactly.



That's not the situation at all.

Have you read anything about the combat?

Looks like I'm going with a battle axe.

Yes, some people want spears but when they don't fit in the game due to the style of combat, they just don't belong. The same family of weapon as spears is still in the game but spears however are not. It's just that because some people would like them to be able to be in the game, doesn't mean they need to be in the game. Spears have only been in Morrowind and there are some weapons that some people might want in the game that are in like bladed boomerangs or a bullrush.

Actually I have. Doesn't change the fact the melee weapons are all pretty much the same.

I can sort of agree. I wasn't really hoping for spears, but at least something different. We don't know for sure if there's only three weapons. One handed, and two handed weapons are broad categories. This could allow for something else, maybe something they're not talking about? Plus the combat sounds much more exciting. Not just "stab,stab,block,stab,hold block, stab stab, win, loot"