We have throwing weapons? When did Todd say that?

And that's just your opinion.

I for one loved them in Morrowind. As do many others.

And again, nostalgia is not a factor in this. Or at least not for everyone.

Saying "there aren't spears in the classic sense. There aren't *currently* spears, yet" is a somewhat less than concrete confirmation of pole arms being cut. I wouldn't worry too much.

That you think they were lame in Morrowind doesn't mean EVERYONE thinks they were lame...

Never will everyone agree on one topic on a forum of this size, we all know that, so there's really no point arguing what's lame or not...

"That is not TRADITIONAL FIRE."

It would have been funny if after 15 minutes he said no theres not gonna be spears you hear in todds phone a door kicked down and some one say:"No spears todd?F*** YOU!"And in the news paper its said he was found dead, impaled by a spear.

This game will not feature Hilary Clinton, in the classical sense.

Todd killed by a spear...


Is it wrong if i found this funny?

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Um, no; that wouldn't be funny. What would be funny is if Bethesda kept hinting at no spears, and we discover awesomely-implemented spear mechanics in the game while playing.

For anyone with even the tiniest bit of interest in military history, spears are a must. They're the backbone of combat, and for periods of time only very notable warriors had something as luxurious as a sword. For these gamers, having everyone and their dog in a game world own a sword or a mace or a battleaxe looks rather off - a little but immersion breaking if you will. Anyone stating that "Elder Scrolls is not the same as human history so this is invalid" is throwing away the need to be able to relate to the Elder Scrolls world, so that's not a strong argument here. Spears are important to some of this gaming community.
However, gameplay is more important for those that don't have that historical interest. Spears are just another 'weapon type' to them, they don't add perks or don't look as cool, so "what's the problem?". Also, of course, TV, film and ridiculous Ren Faires tell us that swords are what is most important anyway.

So, no, this argument will never be concluded in this community, it depends on which separate interests the gamers have. However, can anyone argue that, if spears had been included, their presence would have a detrimental effect on the game?

I hope this is not true.

Then they could as well leave out swords, who the hell needs swords in a fantasy game?

Or monsters. You can as well fight men/mer npcs all the time and they don't have to invest time in creating all those monsters.

No spears would be a slap in us fans' faces, and I don't want them in because of Morrowind, but because they are a must. Like swords. And monsters.

I'll love the game anyway, but they ARE a must.

Not bothered in the slightest about them. I`ve always prefered 2 handed swords or axes anyway.

Dude, Todd Howard confirmed it. What more do you want? They're not in. Sorry.

Todd's answer was very reasonable. I'm glad they've focused their time on fleshing out all the weapons they could with improved animations and special kills for nearly every enemy type. That's a heck of an improvement by itself. From his tone, Todd knows people want spears and I'm sure they've tried to get them in at some point. There's just not enough time. Same thing with horse mounts, werewolves and whatnot - which also probably means other popular forum stuff like cloaks with cloth physics are extremely low priority. I mean it took a dedicated team 2 years to get the Dragons up to Triple A quality. Oblivion and Morrowind style jankiness is simply not acceptable to Bethesda anymore. The new approach seems to be do it right or don't do it at all. 'Tis fine with moi.

I still think their on the table as of yet so there's hope but who knows.

Spears as a thrown weapon and types of them as thrown along with normal held weapons were seen in Fallout New Vegas and the Dead Money dlc.

What it says is potentially the mechanics are being a tough time for Bethesda and they don't want to say their in and when the game comes out say that spears weren't put in due to "technical issues."

My guess is, that Bethesda can't do spears. I guess seeing my son play Morrowind, that most people use spears as swords anyways, so Bethesda doesn't see a reason to invest time and money in it.

Sad, I would have loved them, but playing on the 360, I will not have them. Oh well, hopefully Bethesda will make Skyrim make me forget about them.

I never really cared for spears, just seemed a little too strong imo. But he said there won't be spears necessarily which it seemed like he was hinting at the fact that we will have halberds, bardiches or other polearms that we have seen in screenshots. I don't see why anyone would want a simple spear when we can have the other polearms. If you don't believe me, just listen to the podcast again and listen to the way he spoke about the spears.

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1164294-other-info-from-the-french-magazine/

I do feel it's necessary to mention it, to show that there Bethesda doesn't go about simply removing things : no spears, but throwing weapons Also, I can vouch for the accuracy of the info - it *is* written plainly.

Well done. That was utterly crass.

Actually, stating that The Elder Scrolls universe is not the same as ours is the STRONGEST argument here... Don't look at our history when making a RPG. Put in what you feel would fit, even if it wouldn't fit the setting it seems to be in based on our history...

They're not "just weapons", they have a purpose. A short sword is for close range and fast strikes, a long sword is for a farther reach at a slightly slower speed. An axe is for short range and slow attacks, but strong damage. A claymore is long range and somewhat slow, but strong damage and no dedicated shield (or magic).

... which also contains a lot of other information that proved to be wrong... Do not take those translation as official at all...