SPECIAL Points Allotment : Fallout: New Vegas

» Thu May 27, 2010 12:44 am

snipers use 50 cals in the military and they aren't musclebound, or as the game states "circus strongman" so you 'll have to be a circus strongman to use a 50 cal.

Aren't they mounted or on a bipod, though? Do you think it'd take some strength to wave one around like a hunting rifle?

» Thu May 27, 2010 12:27 am

See, to me that's backwards. If all of your attributes are going to be 8's and 10's then what's the point in having them? This way you can be well above average in a couple of attributes and above average in most of the other ones. Your character will have well-defined strengths and weaknesses.

When I was a kid I used to love the indestructible fictional heroes that were the best at everything. Now that I'm older I find flawed heroes infinitely more interesting.

who said anything about having all of the SPECIAL stats at 8 or 9, with 40 points you won't be able to have any of em at 8 or 9 unless you take away all the points from charisma or something and thats not cool at all. so if you think having 50 points to use is too much, that still doesn't let you max everything out, not even close, but 40 points is like having each stat at 5 or 6 and that just doesn't give you room to have any other high stats unless you tank a couple stats down to 1

» Wed May 26, 2010 11:21 pm

who said anything about having all of the SPECIAL stats at 8 or 9, with 40 points you won't be able to have any of em at 8 or 9 unless you take away all the points from charisma or something and thats not cool at all. so if you think having 50 points to use is too much, that still doesn't let you max everything out, not even close, but 40 points is like having each stat at 5 or 6 and that just doesn't give you room to have any other high stats unless you tank a couple stats down to 1

5 is the human average...it's not as though you're crippling yourself. I don't understand the sentiment of a 5 being so abysmally low. If you have both STR and INT at 10 you're both the strongest AND the smartest person in the world.

» Wed May 26, 2010 4:45 pm

snipers use 50 cals in the military and they aren't musclebound, or as the game states "circus strongman" so you 'll have to be a circus strongman to use a 50 cal.

Most have to drag around in the field Armour, Water, Food, Ammo, A back up rifle. the gun itself tripod, binoculars, radio gear, camoflague, and other equipment. I would not be able to drag that in the heat of the mojave desert for long. So strength 8 sounds right. And is balanced to how much bloody damage it can do.

Not to mention most soilders are musclebound. Not like a bodybuilder but still much stronger than average joes.

» Thu May 27, 2010 12:57 am

Aren't they mounted or on a bipod, though? Do you think it'd take some strength to wave one around like a hunting rifle?

They use those always in prone position or supported by window frame or something like that. They do not use those on the standing position or on the knees. They are heavy, expecially because they have long barrel, and when the weight dispution is further away from your position, it takes a lot more of strenght to hold it steadily.

» Thu May 27, 2010 2:38 am

This dos not work for me there should be ways to incress your S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and I am not taking temperary

» Thu May 27, 2010 1:23 am

This dos not work for me there should be ways to incress your S.P.E.C.I.A.L. and I am not taking temperary

We don't know that there won't be...that's speculation (SPECIAL-ulation?). In FO1/2 there were ways to increase them by small amounts (1 or 2 points).

» Wed May 26, 2010 4:35 pm

Heres a video of a guy firing a .50 cal from standing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWn-0gKOm8&feature=related

Massive recoil there, which he barely controls. He even says he could barely get it off the ground. This from a guy trained to use the damn thing. Youd have to be pretty strong to use it, 8 sounds about right, as the military are pretty damn strong, thats the whole point.

» Wed May 26, 2010 8:30 pm

Heres a video of a guy firing a .50 cal from standing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWn-0gKOm8&feature=related

Massive recoil there, which he barely controls. He even says he could barely get it off the ground. This from a guy trained to use the damn thing. Youd have to be pretty strong to use it, 8 sounds about right, as the military are pretty damn strong, thats the whole point.

well then if you want to use a 50 cal you'll have to forget about having high stats anywhere else and, so you're gonna have a lousy endurance, perception, low luck and no charisma or intelligence just to be able to have your strength raised to 8 so you can use a 50 cal.

» Wed May 26, 2010 3:47 pm

well then if you want to use a 50 cal you'll have to forget about having high stats anywhere else and, so you're gonna have a lousy endurance, perception, low luck and no charisma or intelligence just to be able to have your strength raised to 8 so you can use a 50 cal.

That....just isn't true at all. Again, having a 5 in an attribute is average. It's not low. There's also nothing wrong with having a 3 or 4 in a couple of attributes.

» Wed May 26, 2010 10:45 pm

That....just isn't true at all. Again, having a 5 in an attribute is average. It's not low. There's also nothing wrong with having a 3 or 4 in a couple of attributes.

Id think 50-45 at least is what I think would be decent, least be able to have 2 or 3 maxed special.

» Wed May 26, 2010 8:04 pm

If PA still gives +2 strength, you would actually only need 6 strength. As i doubt its an early game weapon, you probably wont see it til the time of PA.
Your massively over exaggerating. I managed to make a build with two very high skills, with the rest being average/slightly below. Its not difficult, and you dont miss out by dropping a few points from skills.

Also, we may see perks which help with strength requirements, we did in tictacs

@ mumatil
3/4 MAXED stats? 3/4 stats that you are literally as good as you possible can be at?

» Thu May 27, 2010 4:00 am

Man some people are peeved at this. I thought its a good thing and I like the option to have God characters now and then.
If you want to use a big gun up your strength in char gen, take drugs And there will be perks FO1&2 had the weapon handling perk +3 strength to weapon requirment checks.
Otherwise just use smaller guns.

» Thu May 27, 2010 1:15 am

Id think 50-45 at least is what I think would be decent, least be able to have 2 or 3 maxed special.

I guess we'll just have to disagree, then.

Being the best on the planet in more than one area is a little too far in my book. :shrug:

» Thu May 27, 2010 8:06 am

5 is the human average...it's not as though you're crippling yourself. I don't understand the sentiment of a 5 being so abysmally low. If you have both STR and INT at 10 you're both the strongest AND the smartest person in the world.

Being average is really bad if you're a videogame character. You have to be a lot better than average to do anything as dangerous as the stuff you're doing throughout the game. Having a stat of 10 doesn't make you the smartest or strongest person in the world. It just makes you very smart or very strong. I really don't think you should have a problem with being able to max out maybe one stat and maybe leave another two or three at 8 with the rest at 5 or six. You could do that in Fallout 3 without ever either a) collecting Bobbleheads or B) using Intense Training. That's not making you a god. That's pretty damn reasonable.

» Thu May 27, 2010 3:12 am

I guess we'll just have to disagree, then.

Being the best on the planet in more than one area is a little too far in my book. :shrug:

No worries its not like these replys will determine the game, ill just have to make do either way. And maybe we need a bit more hard choices in games these days.
Besides I can always drop my luck stat.

» Thu May 27, 2010 6:51 am

. Having a stat of 10 doesn't make you the smartest or strongest person in the world. It just makes you very smart or very strong.pretty damn reasonable.

10/10 doesnt make you the smartest person in the world? Hows that?
10/10 intelligence is as good as it is possible to be, there is no way to be more intelligent. That pretty much makes you the most intelligent person in the world. How does it not?

10/10 is superhuman strength, and incredible intelligence. There is not higher level. Its the best.

» Wed May 26, 2010 9:43 pm

Being average is really bad if you're a videogame character. You have to be a lot better than average to do anything as dangerous as the stuff you're doing throughout the game. Having a stat of 10 doesn't make you the smartest or strongest person in the world. It just makes you very smart or very strong. I really don't think you should have a problem with being able to max out maybe one stat and maybe leave another two or three at 8 with the rest at 5 or six. You could do that in Fallout 3 without ever either a) collecting Bobbleheads or B) using Intense Training. That's not making you a god. That's pretty damn reasonable.

But fallout 3 stat system was an abberation. I liked it but even with stats under 5 not much changed, NV sounds like stats are going to have some effect. And if every character is average too good alot will be missed (even if its a bad thing you are missing it still will be fun or different).
I want a different response to each of my characters and loads of fives will just give me the same one over.

» Wed May 26, 2010 8:05 pm

No worries its not like these replys will determine the game, ill just have to make do either way. And maybe we need a bit more hard choices in games these days.
Besides I can always drop my luck stat.

However it ends up working we'll all have to deal with it. Between power armor, drugs (which will be more useful with lower SPECIAL stats), other items, and the possibility to raise some stats I'm sure it will work out ok. In Fallout 1 the BoS could perform surgery on you to increase certain stats if you did some quests for them (or did you just have to pay...don't remember). I wouldn't be surprised if we see more things like that.

» Wed May 26, 2010 9:18 pm

However it ends up working we'll all have to deal with it. Between power armor, drugs (which will be more useful with lower SPECIAL stats), other items, and the possibility to raise some stats I'm sure it will work out ok. In Fallout 1 the BoS could perform surgery on you to increase certain stats if you did some quests for them (or did you just have to pay...don't remember). I wouldn't be surprised if we see more things like that.

Also the return of traits will help too, if there like the previous games , I like the sound of the four-eyes trait. Guessing that some will be stat oriented, and skill too

» Thu May 27, 2010 5:00 am

Also the return of traits will help too, if there like the previous games , I like the sound of the four-eyes trait. Guessing that some will be stat oriented, and skill too

Yeah, I liked that one too. I hope to see more things like that.

» Wed May 26, 2010 9:48 pm

Being average is really bad if you're a videogame character. You have to be a lot better than average to do anything as dangerous as the stuff you're doing throughout the game. Having a stat of 10 doesn't make you the smartest or strongest person in the world. It just makes you very smart or very strong. I really don't think you should have a problem with being able to max out maybe one stat and maybe leave another two or three at 8 with the rest at 5 or six. You could do that in Fallout 3 without ever either a) collecting Bobbleheads or B) using Intense Training. That's not making you a god. That's pretty damn reasonable.

You already are better than average, otherwise if you distributed all your points evenly in SPECIAL, everything would be a five.

» Wed May 26, 2010 8:04 pm

S-5
P-7
E-5
C-5
I-7
A-6
L-5
I'll have to check strength requirements for guns and lucks involvement in gambling first before I actually go through with it but i like smarter characters although I might go through with the dim-wit, high endurance strength and luck character!

» Wed May 26, 2010 7:04 pm

It sounds to me like some people are scared that the game will actually be a challenge. If you don't want to be challenged, go and play wii sports.

And to those thinking you'll miss alot of content with the new weapon restrictions and the "WAH WAH .50 CAL" well how about you play the game more than once with a different character build? Problem solved. Not only will you have gained replay value, you'd have a completely new and rich experience and would learn what an RPG is like.

Don't like it? Well if that's the case I hear a new COD is coming out...

» Wed May 26, 2010 10:28 pm

It sounds to me like some people are scared that the game will actually be a challenge. If you don't want to be challenged, go and play wii sports.

And to those thinking you'll miss alot of content with the new weapon restrictions and the "WAH WAH .50 CAL" well how about you play the game more than once with a different character build? Problem solved. Not only will you have gained replay value, you'd have a completely new and rich experience and would learn what an RPG is like.

Don't like it? Well if that's the case I hear a new COD is coming out...

That's a pretty bad attitude to have. Maybe you should go relax a bit before you read these forums.