So Should we have a new sort of speechcraft ? or like Oblivion Mini game or Morrowind Speechcraft?

and What lockpicking should it be more like Morrowind ?,Oblivion? or Something Else (Unique)?

Don't care they can do what they want

I don't know what to do about Speechcraft, but I have a thing or two to say about lockpicking.

Remember how in Thief: Deadly Shadows, they went from a Morrowind-Style (but slightly different and more challenging) to Oblivion Style minigame? The huge issue is timing. While, I appreciate mini-games and find them somewhat entertaining, what they remove is the element of timing. If you're sneaking around, and a guard is suspicious, and you have a real-time Morrowind-style lockpick going on, it's intense! It's scary! It's adrenaline pumping! If you pause and go into a mini-game, its :yawn:

So, my proposal is Thief: The Dark Project lockpicking, or something very close, where you have a few picks, and have to switch between them in real time.

i hope its not that speechcraft minigame in oblivion, that drove me insane...

A Thief inspired lockpicking system, and speechcraft needs a complete overhaul.

I voted for the 'something new and original' option in both

I've not got a bright idea for either - but I feel that we need something new and innovative. I somehow never figured out lock picking in Oblivion, even though everyone seemed to think it was easy. I even watched You Tube videos on lock picking, but still failed to master it. I always ended up making an open lock spell once I got into the Arcane University. Problem solved

As for the speechcraft game, that was the opposite extreme - very easy to ramp up people's disposition, although the process was often long and boring.

Speechcraft, in particular, needs a radical overhaul. It wasn't any better in Morrowind, because once you got rich - which was easy to do - you could just bribe anybody with repeated 100 gold bribes until they did exactly what you wanted.

I'd like speech checks and actual new dialogue options, new ways to solve conflicts and stuff like that. Not just a way to get lowered prices and a smile from the npc.
And as for lockpicking, i'd like to have a mini game, but harder locks should still require a certain level of security skill.

Lockpicking = Thief
I don't want speechcraft. I want to charm with personality.

Edit: The more you talk to people the higher your personality. The higher your personality the more you can charm people. If X person like you 50/100, you can charm X with the % of your personality. So if you have 50 personality you can charm X to 75. And if someone like you less than 50/100 you can never get to 100.

Does not sound half bad if you ask me.

I don't think the mini game paused anything in Deadly Shadows. You can still look to the sides while your in the lockpicking mode and see that the guard's walking around and could catch you if he stumbles across you picking the lock. I think that way definitely emphasizes timing, because you have to go through the whole mini game of picking the lock before he comes back that way on patrol. Deadly Shadows lockpicking was well done I thought.

I could definitely go for this.

Oblivion. And Oblivion.

I like what it had going on with both those mini-games.

I quite like the way lock picking is done in Fallout 3.

^^ This one is good

I don't mind minigames if they are optional. Give me the option of playing the minigame or using a stats based bypass option.

I thought the speechcraft mini game in oblivion was bizzare pointless and extremely boring so needs a complete overhaul, the lockpicking was very hard for me as well i just dupe lockpicks untill i get the skeleton key. I liked the fallout lockpicking much more and would like a similar system in skyrim but to have it in real time instead of the world screeching to a halt while I fumble with a lock.

the speechcraft system needs a serious revamp. the minigame was just stupid and immersion breaking.
I don't know how to make it, but the devs will figure something out.

the lockpicking was annoying in oblivion. however, the fallout 3 system was great, easy to understand and well implemented.

i think speechcraft should be similar to Fallout 3

i think lockpicking is easy in oblivion
i can pick a very hard lock with a single lockpick with 5 security skill

Could you include another option for Lockpicking? Fallout 3 style. That is, a skill level requirement but with a minigame (although I would want something more complex than Fallout's minigame...).

I liked the Fallout version of speechcraft, percentage chance of success depending on skill. As for the fallout lockpicking minigame, yeah, i wouldnt mind if skyrim had something similar.

I hope speechcraft will be sort of like Fallout 3 with a Morrowind way of raising disposition (bribes, admire)

I hear you! I hated the Oblivion speechcraft minigame, same for the lockpicking minigame, as what The.Z.Man pointed out, it took away the intensity and fear of getting caught.

I want something new and unique but NO minigame.

Something like a real time lock picking mini game would be fun. But higher level locks would need to be more challenging. Something requiring picks and probes and dual using them. Different types of locks, too. Enchanted locks requiring both picking and dispelling. Maybe throw in a dispelling mini game.

Regarding speechcraft....don't know. Even I enjoyed the speechcraft mini game after I figured it out though I thought it was kind of pointless. It was hard to rp the game into a real game interaction.

I Couldn't care about SpeechCraft but I Hope they have a Morrowind Type Lockpicking

Not sure about speechcraft, but I like Gothic 1 and Gothic 2's lockpick methods a lot. It was real-time, and the lock combination was a series of left and right motions. For instance LLR as a simple lock, and RRLRRLLLL for something more complex. If you move the lockpick the wrong way, there's a chance (based on your skill level) that it will break. Correct and incorrect motions are conveyed via sound (a "click" for a correct motion, and a slightly different sound for an incorrect guess).