But you said spell creation was a cornerstone of the series. Now Bethesda have been trying to improve the magic system in Skyrim and unfortunately for you that means that spell creation will be removed from the game, for me the spell creation system in Oblivion did little more than allow the player to change the name and tweak already existing spells or combine a few different spells into one making them unusable due to the high magic cost so for me the removal of the spell creation for an improved magic system is more than a fair trade.

Now perhaps I am wrong and was uncreative when it come to spell creation but I dont see what the big deal is with it being removed, you and Xarnac on the other hand feel that the removal of spell creation is a big slap to the face of the fans with Xarnac even claiming that its removal will severely hurt his RP options, with claims like that I really want to know what you guys actually managed to do with the spell creation system so if you would be so kind could both you and Xarnac (and anyone who feels the same) post up some of these amazing spells that you managed to create in Oblivion?

Spell-making is in effect making combinations of spells, there's a little more to it like parameters, but that's basically all it is. The new system allows you to change the parameters in a set number of ways and in terms of potency/AoE its determined by charging the spell where applicable in the game in real-time.

I'm sorry but balancing spell-making is not going to facilitate maintaining unbroken immersion for greater periods of time.


That is not a solution. Those are achievable and achieved with the new spell system in Skyrim. Id be keen on spell-making but not the old system which had immersion and exploitation issues, if you cannot provide a way to integrate spell-making and circumvent the issues that caused its exclusion then all you're achieving is venting your frustration and upsetting people who are really excited about the new possibilities of the new magical system.

Spell-making is in effect making combinations of spells, there's a little more to it like parameters, but that's basically all it is. The new system allows you to change the parameters in a set number of ways and in terms of potency/AoE its determined by charging the spell where applicable in the game in real-time.

I'm sorry but balancing spell-making is not going to facilitate maintaining unbroken immersion for greater periods of time.


That is not a solution. Those are achievable and achieved with the new spell system in Skyrim. Id be keen on spell-making but not the old system which had immersion and exploitation issues, if you cannot provide a way to integrate spell-making and circumvent the issues that caused its exclusion then all you're achieving is venting your frustration and upsetting people who are really excited about the new possibilities of the new magical system.

Spell-making is in effect making combinations of spells, SNIP

LOL don't get your tampons in a mess. I'm tired of these rehasded threads about Spell Creation so yea I said it and I will say it again- Screw Spell Creation. Get over it, its not in the game. :glare:

Ive been thinking on it. A solution is this and you should have thought of it before posting this thread:

The Winterhold Collective has a warded circle. In this warded circle if you have a rare crystal (rare so you truly value it) you can combine spell effects in real-time by switching between different spells and charging them in certain ways. While using a spell you can use other buttons to lengthen or narrow its area of effect or size etc. When you are ready (your character will be holding a mass of magic that's twisting and reforming in different ways to represent the weaving of a new magical spell and roughly how it will look in the game when cast. The spell is stored in the crystal. The details of the spell are stored, when you're happy with them, in the crystal. The details of the spell while making it are represented by floating data in the bottom right of the screen. All exploitative use of magic (1 sec of paralysis and fireball on target for example), unrealistic combinations (like incompatible fire and ice magic), and game breaking combinations (100% chameleon) are not achievable in the warded circle because "The strain to weave this magic would be too great." You can only create a spell as powerful as your total current magicka pool. You would only have a set number of crystals you can find in the game, those crystals each create a slot in your magic menu under their own heading and not that of a School of Magic or under the heading of "All MAGIC". So, you can select and equip them from the menu the same way as you can select spell effects and assign them to a mapped button (which is how you would add and remove different spell effects in the warded circle). You should be able to rename each crystal which would be represented by the spell name thereafter. This eliminates the spell list convolution and the immersion breaking aspect (except naming your spell which takes you to the name generation screen which could be excluded). Problem solved. Dump it into an expansion and you have your solution.

This doesn't break immersion as far as I'm concerned, as Todd said was the main reason they got rid of spell creation (the spreadsheet issue).

There you go! a good solution as far is I understand. Would such a system be such a drag to anyone? And if so, then don't use it! just like you would not use enchanting weapons if you would not want to.

...Just give us an Altar.

People that dont want to utilize it, never have to even touch it, just like in every previous ES.

There you go! a good solution as far is I understand. Would such a system be such a drag to anyone? And if so, then don't use it! just like you would not use enchanting weapons if you would not want to.

It would drag me, I shouldnt be limited to the spells I create by some crystal. Especially when in the lore, all Ive ever needed before were Altars.

Give us an altar, have created spells require two hands to wield, dont allow weakness and magicka fortification stacking, balance magicka costs, there its fine and works for everybody. I never once made an OPed spell in OB, or Morrow and I utilized SC to the max.

It would be a lot more fun than the old system. It would occur in real-time. So if you take damage from an enemy then the process ends and you are free to battle. And if you really wanted a spell-making altar there could be one in the center and instead of using magic to activate the process you just activate the altar and you are in spell-making mode... I think it would be a waste of time (that altar itself). But runed stone pillars rising up around you would be awesome when spell-making was active. The warded circle would not have to be that large because the floating info in the bottom corner of the screen would tell you the diameter of the spells blast radius if applicable. Those spell details can be switched between by using the sprint trigger in spell-making mode. You would be able to walk around the circle but not leave it until you have canceled or finished spell-making. You would not be able to run in the warded circle but then... if you ran you might slip and that would be disastrous when experimenting with new magic, no?

It would drag me, I shouldnt be limited to the spells I create by some crystal. Especially when in the lore, all Ive ever needed before were Altars.

Give us an altar, have created spells require two hands to wield, dont allow weakness and magicka fortification stacking, balance magicka costs, there its fine and works for everybody. I never once made an OPed spell in OB, or Morrow and I utilized SC to the max.

Our spreadsheet days are over. You are as set in your ways and doomed to obscurity as the old man is in your avataar - Todd will not budge on the spreadsheet issue. You need to learn to compromise or stop ranting because you're dragging on people. Not meaning to be mean but svck it up.

Dont want to exploit? Dont make exploitable spells. I never understood this, you can just as easily make a balanced spell in SC, as you can an 'OPed' one. who are these people that have no self control to not make OPed custom spells? Who are these people that care how I, or anybody else plays our game? Exploitation and balance is the least of the reasons to scrap it.


There was nothing spreadsheety about spell creation. Get your Todd PR right if your going to regurgitate it. Todd specifically said, in thats same interview, that SC is something they would like to have and are hoping to work on it and have it in.

Todd called spell-making in Oblivion a spreadsheet system that they didn't like because it broke immersion - as soon as the sliders were up and you were setting things, Todd said, that it took you away from feeling like you were dabbling in magic. Go look it up and watch it again before you make a fool of yourself anymore than you have. It was the immersion issue that was the crux of the issue in its exclusion not the exploits which can be fixed quite easily now they are apparent to Bethesda.

Todd called spell-making in Oblivion a spreadsheet system that they didn't like because it broke immersion - as soon as the sliders were up and you were setting things, Todd said, that it took you away from feeling like you were dabbling in magic. Go look it up and watch it again before you make a fool of yourself anymore than you have. It was the immersion issue that was the crux of the issue in its exclusion not the exploits which can be fixed quite easily now they are apparent to Bethesda.

The accursed "i" word has lost all meaning, as far as I'm concerned. It makes little sense, to me, and I don't understand it or how it is relevant to anything. Please, teach me the ways of forgetting I am playing a video game and getting angry when a great feature somehow breaks that impossible lack of self-awareness and makes a person angry enough to justify removing it because of that.

There was nothing spreadsheety about spell creation.