This is the issue. We don't exactly know how extensive the perks are and still can't safely say whether we'll be able to adjust things you've described - like movement speeds, or if instead we'll get completely moronic things like "attacking while in midair staggers enemies".

Just gonna say it again.

Does a master swordsman know how to make a blade? No, he'll tell the smith his opinion of the weapon and any improvements he'd like to see. Then the smith would get to work making said improvements. The swordsman only knows what he wants, he doesn't know how to get from A to B.

Its the same with magic.

You are wrong. The spells are better in Morrowind. The Magicka regeneration system is better in Oblivion. You have to sleep to get it back? I don't want to find a bed if I am in a town!

Exactly. As a personal opinion I like perks, but they shouldn't replace skills. Perks should compliment skills.

Maybe there will be a perk for creating custom spells!

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No, its not. A magic user, if I'm not mistaken, has to understand the magic he is using in order to use it. A swordsman does not have to understand how a blade is made to use it, your point is irrelevant.

The instant that how much magic casting has changed, and by selecting a magic effect, you could cast a fire ball or make a flame thrower effect, I knew that magic making was gone, and we would be dealing with the essence of magic, and not the combined spells.

I want to try it, to see if that works, and I'm excited about it.

And that is why I keep stressing that we should chill till the community actually has some real information about the game before we cry out that the world is ending...err that we're all doomed...uuh, you guys get the point

Actually, with spell absorption having a superspell was a pretty viable tactic in all the games. All Morrowind took was enough mana left for an ancestral guardian summoning. All Daggerfall took was to make the spell an area of effect spell. I don't remember much about Arena, but mages there ruled anyway.

Maybe. Maybe not.
First, lets assume you are the greatest mage ever. No one makes spells for you because no one can cast spells like you. You would then learn to create your own out of necessity.
Second, enchanting is the act of endowing an item with a magical effect. Thats not the same as spell making.

While I do like your idea that its still in they just changed how, and its under a skill now, with the information we are being given, which could be false, we are left to assume it isn't in at all.

So the answer was to flip flop the issues? Why wouldn't they keep the magic spells and fix the regen issue? It seems that they never fix anything. Once they find a thing doesn't work they take it out and put in a new thing that later they find doean't work as well.

Exactly! To me this seems very interesting! We work with the individual effects now and not specific spells. IMO this is how it should be. You make spells by using more than one at a time... If you can, in the end.

I'd have to disagree. Understanding magic and how magic interacts with different kinds is two different things. How would one know what combining fire and ice would make? It could make water, or it could make a fireball that has a secondary freezing effect, or it could creat an explotion. A mage wouldn't know what combining things would do. A mage only knows how to use fire and ice seperately, just like a swordsman knows how to use a blade, not the correct amount of iron and copper make steel.

So walk like... 20 feet out of the town and rest. It's far from perfect, but it's better that Oblivion. Magicka regenerated too fast, and, to balance it, the spell system was gimped out of its mind. Where in Morrowind I could use one spell that would obliterate things but drain all my magicka (so I wouldn't use something like that very often, obviously), in Oblivion, you'd be stuck using the same dinky spell over and over and over again to compensate for the fact that you have an endless supply of magicka. This would go away at level 100, of course, because now you can use any spell. Oblivion's magicka system just svcked. Saying Morrowind's was better isn't saying it's perfect.

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Dude.

You picked the Atronach. No [censored] wonder it didn't regenerate.


On the Xbox, it was something like black black white white black white for magicka regen, and white white black black white black for HP. There was on for fatigue as well.

I guess Bethesda just decided to throw out spell making, instead of trying to implement it in some fashion like they said they would.

What really upsets me with Bethesda is that if there is a slight problem with a system, they won't try to fix it or refine it. They'll just get rid of it all together. Spell making is gone because it's slightly exploitable, attributes are gone because SOME people said they were useless, and birthsigns may be gone because some people probably didn't like the benefits or something. Or because some of them enhanced attributes, which are now gone.

All in all, I'm really losing my faith in Skyrim. At this rate, I don't think I'll be around for Elder Scrolls VI: Fable or Elder Scrolls VII: Are we even trying anymore?

I'm really hoping Bethesda can turn my opinions back around though.

The problem is spell making was the only part of the old magic system that didnt svck like a leprous emo hoker on prozac.

Can they actualy make a new spell system that doesnt svck? Some of what they have talked abot gives me some hope.. but not much. Gona need a hell of alot more detailed info and some vids showing it in action.. and to be blunt todd getting his [censored] over here and answering questions directly. Info through magazine is getting old fast. God I cant wait till they die out.

Same could be said for a swordsman. Best swordsman ever would need swords that could keep up with them. But before they could just make a sword(spell for a mage), they'd first have to get the basics of smithing(spellmaking) under their belt before they'd start trying to make a sword that they could use.

And ya, I know my enchanting idea is stretching it, but I'm just giving an example of a way it could still be in game without it being called spellmaking.

You could rest anywhere in the wilderness...

Clearly it's been a while since you stepped foot in Vvardenfell!

Need to get my 2 cents in before the lock. I loved that in TES that you can name and make your own spells. For this to be taken away, it seems less, TESish. I just hope the implementation
works and is justified. I read this is to be lore wise, why we can't make spells? Well back to reading now.

One reason why I see this as a terrible idea is because it can still be implemented.
Sure, each spell can have different effects. But each of those effects could be based off of the standard effect.

If I use a firespell as a flamethrower, its damage should be based off of the 1 hande version.
Its area can be modified by the 1 handed versions area as well.
Its duration can even be used.

It can still be done, and that frustrates me. Its important to a lot of us.

You don't know how much I laugh when people say,

"No spell creation! Skyrim svcks!"

Its just a tiny deal. I have played many mage characters and in all honesty, it doesn't really matter to me. Deal wielding, now thats where it's at!

So because it doesn't matter to you, it shouldn't matter at all?

Thanks guy. Thanks a lot.

No no no. I just kinda chuckle when people boycott the game over such a tiny detail

You're opinion is no better than our opinion. The game should be about options.
Just for you, maybe TES: VI won't have dual wielding.