Bound to happen, it would take ages to implement properly. It could still be added in DLC I suppose, it sounds like stuff they wanted in the game but didn't have the time for then is being kept to one side to work on later. Todd said something before that if werewolves/vampires didn't fit into the main game he said it could possibly be used as a main feature for one of the DLCs, perhaps the same could happen with spell creation.

I agree with this, The spells in Oblivion looked almost all the same. They had the same effect but just with other dmg points. Now in Skyrim each spell will look, act and feel different. All the spells will be unique

Read my post prior to this one...

I cannot believe people are defending this, Eight ways of Base congnitive proccesses going on here.

How is it greedy to want things that were in past games improved upon and expanded instead of axed?
This is not greed, this is within reasonable realms of expectation.

83 spells and 3 uses for almost each spell is an order of magnitude less varied than spellmaking.
This is simply a mathematical fact.
Its not greedy to want things to be at the same level, instead of less.

You are completely missing the point.

Giving the players the power to create spells much better than the ones the developers add to the game can completely ruin the experience for people.
If you give players an exuberant amount of freedom in spellmaking, there is nothing there to stop them from abusing the system.
What's the point of buying the Fire spell that one mage sells for 2000 gold when you can create a much more overpowered version of the same spell for half the price? (the spell cost me what, 900coins to make)? and it's much better than some spells i can buy for 2000+.



And let's not forget about the famous 100% chameleon enchantments that are possible to be made.
I was much happier on my first Oblivion character when I didn't know about enchanting than I was after I realized i could abuse it to hell.

Yes it was my own fault for ruining my own experience, but you can't blame anyone for doing something out of curiosity. Hopefully Bethesda this time limits enchanting to prevent people from breaking their own experience.

Im not sure how spell making would work in Skyrim anyways since all teh spells dont have a determined cost and damage. Not like Oblivion.

What a freaking disgrace. :facepalm:

I guess my mage will be some stupid [censored] that isnt' smart enough to make his own spells. :facepalm:

Honestly, pretty much nothing Bethesda does these days is defendable. Ever since they started changing things from Morrowind and dumbing down the game, the game has just become a plaything for casuals. It would take a lot for me to accept any changes Bethesda made to ES at this point.

They do have determined Damage, you need to take a look at the Quakcon vid. spells have Damage points and shouts have Cooldown Duration per level...so yeah

Some people are so ignorant that they actually hate to see any type of spell-making in Skyrim , what a shame ....

This is great news, now the regular spells will matter more. :celebration:

I think you are missing the point.
There is nothing wrong with any of these things you describe.
If people find em fun to use, great.
If people dont, nothing is forcing them.

I feel no sympathy at all for: I cant control myself, the game is ruined. Must gimp and ruin everyones game who actually like freedom.

Again, this is not a linear, boxed in hardcapped FPS. This is a free open world.
Or it used to be.

The old spell making system svcked. I'd rather them have improved it.

But I'd also rather have it have removed than have the old spellmaking system, so good enough for me.

Depends on your definition of "less" because for me "less" would be removing spell making and adding NOTHING in return.

But since Bethesda have added the ability to wield 2 spells at once combining them for different effects this is definately more not less because for me having different spell combinations beats having a custom built "mini nuke" any day.

The fact is I dont want epicly powerful spells in Skyrim because that can be done with the game editor.

What cant be done with the game editor is spell variation at the time of actually using those spells.

Skyrim is an RPG meaning you have "choices" and this new spell system gives you choice.

Bye bye spell making and hello spell merging.

-KC

whats spellmaking besides what the name implies? i only played fallout 3 btw...

Meh, I'll still cast spells.

No, seriously there were people who honestly thought it would be in? :lmao:

Again, it wasn't removed because it was "OP" or "complicated". It was removed because it was boring.
You could go on how many effect combinations you can create, but in the end all of them would just look, act and feel the same.
I'm sorry Xpt of Y effect at Zft for Asec is hardly a spell, but with spellmaking all spells looked a combination of these.
Now spells are actually unique many of them you can cast differently.
Now we have flamethrowers, chargeable fireballs, lightning that looks like lighting and deflects on the surface, runes you can set as traps, a zone that keeps undead out, an area of effect fire spell centered around you, continuous healing, life-detect and whatnot, etc...

oh, and two-handed spells...

Make your own spells with spells you know about. For example, if you know fireball, you can make spells that involve fireballs. You could add AoE, duration, power and all that jazz. Not content with your non potent frenzy on touch spell? Make a potent frenzy AoE spell! Of course, it costs money. The more powerful it gets, the more it costs you.

It was everything. You could buy any effects together and make one spell. But now that they've dumbed down the game for casual players, we can only use the spells that the fascist devs say we can. In terms of magic, this game will be nothing short of slavery.

Spell making was a feature in Oblivion that allowed you to create a spell or a combination of spells via an altar .

There is nothing in its place.
Now we have generic energy bolts exactly the same as biowares plasmids or marvels mutant powers.
The magic has been removed from magic.

Most spells will not be able to combine into something else entirely, this is confirmed.

Using the game editor is an invalid point. The majority of players does not play Elder Scrolls on a pc.
A game should not have to be fixed by customers in order to be pallatable.

1 - YOU DO NOT COMBINE SPELLS, PERIOD. In Oblivion you shoot fire then you shoot frost, its the same thing in Skyrim they dont interact, you cannot combine them in your hands

2 - CONSOLE USERS that had an option lose it now

3 - What choice? what -new- choice are players given? enlighten me, I did enough Fable tossing in Fable already

4- again you cannot merge spells.

Not to mention more spells that Beth hasn't revealed to us yet.

The 2 who voted they won't buy the game are just weird Your loss good fellas. Unless you were joking