No Spell Making? : V - Skyrim

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:25 am

Skyrim's magic is going to be awesome.

Yes, some of the additions to the magic system are pretty cool, but it could be much more awesome and that's what everyone's problem is. It's the typical gamesas one step forward two steps back approach to game developing.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:18 am

I wish. But there will always be something.

You can not combine and create new spells. Or in other words, you can not combine spells with duel wielding to create a new one. I'm yet to see one single shread of solid evidence that spellmaking itself its even gone. Even if it isn't in game yet, it'll only take one look from the people who manage the money at Beth towards this forum to figure out people will seriously be up in arms and knocking down Beth's front doors if its not in, and they'll turn to the developers and say "Let there be magic."

I agree. At first I was irate, but now when I think about it logically, there is no way they would remove spellmaking. It has to be a mistranslation in the article.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:20 pm

I wish. But there will always be something.

You can not combine and create new spells. Or in other words, you can not combine spells with duel wielding to create a new one. I'm yet to see one single shread of solid evidence that spellmaking itself its even gone. Even if it isn't in game yet, it'll only take one look from the people who manage the money at Beth towards this forum to figure out people will seriously be up in arms and knocking down Beth's front doors if its not in, and they'll turn to the developers and say "Let there be magic."

Indeed, read it like this

You can not combine TO create new spells. The and has the same action as a 'to' in this situation. For example, I can not shuffle a deck and end up with something not random. This is not stating two different things, it is stating one action that leads into another.

Perhaps that is what the article meant. Once again, until we get confirmation, we can't know for sure.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:37 pm

I wish. But there will always be something.

You can not combine and create new spells. Or in other words, you can not combine spells with duel wielding to create a new one. I'm yet to see one single shread of solid evidence that spellmaking itself its even gone. Even if it isn't in game yet, it'll only take one look from the people who manage the money at Beth towards this forum to figure out people will seriously be up in arms and knocking down Beth's front doors if its not in, and they'll turn to the developers and say "Let there be magic."

Read the quote above, it was apparently a translation error by the guy who made the translation.

Also, it has been know we cannot combine dual wielded spells, like ice + fire to form a water jet. We can cast ice in one hand, and fire in another, but we cannot form a water bolt, jet, stream, etc.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:32 pm

Read the quote above, it was apparently a translation error by the guy who made the translation.

Also, it has been know we cannot combine dual wielded spells, like ice + fire to form a water jet. We can cast ice in one hand, and fire in another, but we cannot form a water bolt, jet, stream, etc.

Yep, exactly. I think everyone's starting to calm down and think about things first. Good good. Now we can move onto more relevent craziness. Blood for the blood god!

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:49 pm

Yay, other craziness!

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:50 pm

It won't make me go back to Gamestop and get the 10 bucks I put down as a pre-order back. I liked playing as a mage in Oblivion but unless I used a mod to put spell making altars in other locations I never used it because I didn't care for the Mage's Guild. Who knows? Maybe we will get some kind of mod that adds it in. I have no idea if it would be possible but who all thought Deadly Reflex and UV were possible before they saw it?

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:24 pm

It won't make me go back to Gamestop and get the 10 bucks I put down as a pre-order back. I liked playing as a mage in Oblivion but unless I used a mod to put spell making altars in other locations I never used it because I didn't care for the Mage's Guild. Who knows? Maybe we will get some kind of mod that adds it in. I have no idea if it would be possible but who all thought Deadly Reflex and UV were possible before they saw it?

Late to the party. Already confirmed as a mistranslation.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:12 am

I hope this news isn't true. I loved the whole "spell making" concept in Oblivion..however, from reading in Game Informer about Skyrim and seeing the pictures in general I know I'm going to love this game without a doubt regardless of spell making or not. Once again, however, if spell making is in Skyrim there's going to be a massive expectation bar because of Oblivion's spell making.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:15 pm

Ugh, are you people going to keep making knee-jerk comments, or are you going to realize this is done and over? It was a mistranslation, so lets bury the hatchet already.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:39 pm

Ugh, are you people going to keep making knee-jerk comments, or are you going to realize this is done and over? It was a mistranslation, so lets bury the hatchet already.

If I can get some proof of a mistranslation that would be great. But until then I will operate on what I know or think I know, instead of what I don't know. Seems like the only way to logically think.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:50 pm

If I can get some proof of a mistranslation that would be great. But until then I will operate on what I know or think I know, instead of what I don't know. Seems like the only way to logically think.

Are you really doing this to me? Fine, here you go, straight from the guy who translated it. The relevant quote you want is at the bottom of the spoiler tag (it's quite long)

Spoiler

Well, here it is, some new/old informations for you.

-Spoiler on the game beginning
Spoiler

Spoiler

The executioner is going to chop off your head when esbern appears and saves you

-Skyrim size is equal to Oblivion's Cyrodiil

-There are 5 major cities, 20 minor cities and 100+ dungeons (but we already know that)

-the creation engine is totally new, it's not based on the game bryo

-graphics look a lot better than the oblivion and fallout 3 one

-there are fishes that jump out of the water

-the hud appears only when you fight. you will see the three status bar and the compass (sigh)

-the UI is really user freindly but it's not intended to be mouse-used

-every weapon has a damage stat and a block stat

-it appears that there are no birthsigns

-there is a separate control system for the pc

-there is a "local map" for every zone of Skyrim

-there are 100+ subquests

-it will be possibile to play after the main quest

-Steam, not gfwl. they're are disappointed with LIVE!

-you can't create spells. WHAT THE HELL??

-there are houses which you can buy

-there are many puzzles in the dungeons

-cities, dungeons etc will be added to the 3d map as soon as you encounter them

-water physics

-every town has an economic system

-minor cities contains 10+ buildings

-75% of the quests are dynamic. even the rewards and the quest giver are randomized

-snow is not a texture (I don't get it, why a magazine says that is a texture and the other one says the opposite?)

-bandits in the dungeons are alive and not puppet-like

-soulgems are also used to regain magicka

-"turn undead" spell confirmed

-you can set oil on fire

-there are birds

-there is NO multiplayer

-the npcs which give us the main quests are immortal

some answers to questions asked in the previous thread:

-The article says that you will not be able to combine and create new spells. yeah, this really svcks, I hope it's some kind of mistake...
-I said that it appears that birthsigns are not in because when the article talks about character creation they are not even mentioned.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:27 pm

Are you really doing this to me? Fine, here you go, straight from the guy who translated it. The relevant quote you want is at the bottom of the spoiler tag (it's quite long)

Spoiler

Thank you. All I asked for was some information, there is no reason to be caustic.

Edit:
And also, you must have noticed that everyone knee-jerks to everything said around here, even things that you say.

Person X: "No spellmaking! Ragh!"
Hellmouth: "It was mistranslated."
Person X: "Yay mistranslation!"

Someone needs to have Mankar get on his Twitter and ask the devs because they always seem to respond to him.

And the poster below me (crate) could easily be right. Just reading the guy's message tells you that either English is not his first language or he doesn't care to adhere to proper grammar, spelling, or punctuation. He could have meant it how it looks or it could in fact mean that we cannot combine different spells when casting, nor can we make custom spells. We still really know nothing.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:17 am

Are you really doing this to me? Fine, here you go, straight from the guy who translated it. The relevant quote you want is at the bottom of the spoiler tag (it's quite long)

Spoiler

How is that proof?

"-The article says that you will not be able to combine and create new spells. yeah, this really svcks, I hope it's some kind of mistake..."

Seems to support the opposite of what you're saying.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:21 am

I'm going on the basis of having a ice + fire spell to make a water bolt is not possible

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:45 pm

Late to the party. Already confirmed as a mistranslation.

sigh

What a relief

And here I thought they had gone and done something horrible

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:52 pm

How is that proof?

"-The article says that you will not be able to combine and create new spells. yeah, this really svcks, I hope it's some kind of mistake..."

Seems to support the opposite of what you're saying.

Let me add one simple little word to that sentence.

The article says that you will not be able to combine and thus create new spells.

Fire spell plus ice spell does not make water. The effects will stay the same. Duel wielding spells isn't going to change spell effects. Thats how I see it.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 2:26 pm

Late to the party. Already confirmed as a mistranslation.

sigh

What a relief

And here I thought they had gone and done something horrible

See what I'm talking about Hellmouth? People will knee-jerk react to anything, especially on forums.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:46 pm

Yeah, I still find it hilarious (and very sad) seeing so many people just busting in here to go "OMG, what a nightmare!" without reading a single post that's not theirs. Also, I find it strange that every seems to have forgotten all about the GI releases ever since people started quoting European magazines. Every European magazine thread has someone posting something known for a long time followed by dozens going "OMG, really? I did not see this coming!"

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:43 pm

this could mean one thing....

the spells are now awesome and not LAME, gj Mr. Todd

I can see it now chain lightning, RAIN OF FIRE, flame wave, fire wall, blizzard, disintegration beam, oh yah come to dady :rock: :flame: :shocking: :flamethrower:

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 3:56 pm

You know all it would take is one post from a dev to clear this up. It's been released as info now, if the info is wrong it's the devs responsibility to clear up any misconceptions there might be.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:51 pm

Read the quote above, it was apparently a translation error by the guy who made the translation.

I'm sorry to tell this to you but I translated that correctly.
no spell making and no spell combining, Todd was pretty clear in that interview.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:16 am

I'm sorry to tell this to you but I translated that correctly.
no spell making and no spell combining, Todd was pretty clear in that interview.

I'm assuming you speak Itialian since you live there. If that's the case and you are correct, it's a sad day in the TES universe.

» Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:21 pm

I honestly think it is a mistranslation. I think it means that you cannot combine two spells like frost and fire to make a new spell. Just like the whole birth sign nonsense.

» Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:44 am

I honestly think it is a mistranslation. I think it means that you cannot combine two spells like frost and fire to make a new spell. Just like the whole birth sign nonsense.

the only error can be from the guy who wrote the article since I traslated it correctly :rolleyes: